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#51
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Wait... which one is it? Because JetBlue's CEO has said he doesn't want to close any of the Spirit bases, and intends to use them for growth. Now, obviously all of this is management speak, but I'm wondering what you think to be true or what you want to be true? Because what you said is simply anything but.
Robin reaching out to actually contact Spirit crewmembers wins him some brownie points in my mind. But he also knows that a significant portion of the Spirit pilot group leaves if he even hints at closing any of our bases other than those goofballs in ACY. And I think he’s definitely trying to manage that given the overall aims of this merger attempt.
#52
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In this hiring environment I balance anything an airline CEO says with their need to not exacerbate attrition. I mean other than Biffle and Christie because they’re busy and *******.
Robin reaching out to actually contact Spirit crewmembers wins him some brownie points in my mind. But he also knows that a significant portion of the Spirit pilot group leaves if he even hints at closing any of our bases other than those goofballs in ACY. And I think he’s definitely trying to manage that given the overall aims of this merger attempt.
Robin reaching out to actually contact Spirit crewmembers wins him some brownie points in my mind. But he also knows that a significant portion of the Spirit pilot group leaves if he even hints at closing any of our bases other than those goofballs in ACY. And I think he’s definitely trying to manage that given the overall aims of this merger attempt.
We all know this hiring environment isn't going to last for the longer term, but I'm not sure who to believe. Robin, and any CEO, can say whatever they want, but in reality it doesn't really matter. If the merger got approved next month, he can redact all of that and do whatever he wants and there is no harm no foul. In my opinion, it's just hard to believe. If what Robin says is true, than it will be great for Spirit and JB both, but if (or when, or how bad) the economy tanks, they could easily just take Spirit's new planes and all their orders and replace JB's older fleets and get brand new airplanes and weather the storm doing the exact same thing they've been doing, and blame base closers on the economy.
For Spirit pilots, I think it'll really come down to the JCBA. Yes, Spirit pilots want to make more money (as everyone does), but what will the quality of life cost; with regards to base closures? I personally would much rather live in base than make another $20/hr than having to commute the rest of my career. And if JB does actually start doing base closers after the merger, unless the money is obscene, you will certainly see a mass exodus from Spirit pilots.
#53
(Obvious sarcasm folks)…
Wtf. This is a way to legitimately help Blue access a ton of the country they either don’t fly or have minimal presence in.
#54
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Disagreements or not, thank you for saying something that contributes to an actual and honest discussion.
We all know this hiring environment isn't going to last for the longer term, but I'm not sure who to believe. Robin, and any CEO, can say whatever they want, but in reality it doesn't really matter. If the merger got approved next month, he can redact all of that and do whatever he wants and there is no harm no foul. In my opinion, it's just hard to believe. If what Robin says is true, than it will be great for Spirit and JB both, but if (or when, or how bad) the economy tanks, they could easily just take Spirit's new planes and all their orders and replace JB's older fleets and get brand new airplanes and weather the storm doing the exact same thing they've been doing, and blame base closers on the economy.
For Spirit pilots, I think it'll really come down to the JCBA. Yes, Spirit pilots want to make more money (as everyone does), but what will the quality of life cost; with regards to base closures? I personally would much rather live in base than make another $20/hr than having to commute the rest of my career. And if JB does actually start doing base closers after the merger, unless the money is obscene, you will certainly see a mass exodus from Spirit pilots.
We all know this hiring environment isn't going to last for the longer term, but I'm not sure who to believe. Robin, and any CEO, can say whatever they want, but in reality it doesn't really matter. If the merger got approved next month, he can redact all of that and do whatever he wants and there is no harm no foul. In my opinion, it's just hard to believe. If what Robin says is true, than it will be great for Spirit and JB both, but if (or when, or how bad) the economy tanks, they could easily just take Spirit's new planes and all their orders and replace JB's older fleets and get brand new airplanes and weather the storm doing the exact same thing they've been doing, and blame base closers on the economy.
For Spirit pilots, I think it'll really come down to the JCBA. Yes, Spirit pilots want to make more money (as everyone does), but what will the quality of life cost; with regards to base closures? I personally would much rather live in base than make another $20/hr than having to commute the rest of my career. And if JB does actually start doing base closers after the merger, unless the money is obscene, you will certainly see a mass exodus from Spirit pilots.
Let’s not negotiate in public with statements like “I’ll work for less as long as they don’t close my base.”
#55
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Disagreements or not, thank you for saying something that contributes to an actual and honest discussion.
We all know this hiring environment isn't going to last for the longer term, but I'm not sure who to believe. Robin, and any CEO, can say whatever they want, but in reality it doesn't really matter. If the merger got approved next month, he can redact all of that and do whatever he wants and there is no harm no foul. In my opinion, it's just hard to believe. If what Robin says is true, than it will be great for Spirit and JB both, but if (or when, or how bad) the economy tanks, they could easily just take Spirit's new planes and all their orders and replace JB's older fleets and get brand new airplanes and weather the storm doing the exact same thing they've been doing, and blame base closers on the economy.
For Spirit pilots, I think it'll really come down to the JCBA. Yes, Spirit pilots want to make more money (as everyone does), but what will the quality of life cost; with regards to base closures? I personally would much rather live in base than make another $20/hr than having to commute the rest of my career. And if JB does actually start doing base closers after the merger, unless the money is obscene, you will certainly see a mass exodus from Spirit pilots.
We all know this hiring environment isn't going to last for the longer term, but I'm not sure who to believe. Robin, and any CEO, can say whatever they want, but in reality it doesn't really matter. If the merger got approved next month, he can redact all of that and do whatever he wants and there is no harm no foul. In my opinion, it's just hard to believe. If what Robin says is true, than it will be great for Spirit and JB both, but if (or when, or how bad) the economy tanks, they could easily just take Spirit's new planes and all their orders and replace JB's older fleets and get brand new airplanes and weather the storm doing the exact same thing they've been doing, and blame base closers on the economy.
For Spirit pilots, I think it'll really come down to the JCBA. Yes, Spirit pilots want to make more money (as everyone does), but what will the quality of life cost; with regards to base closures? I personally would much rather live in base than make another $20/hr than having to commute the rest of my career. And if JB does actually start doing base closers after the merger, unless the money is obscene, you will certainly see a mass exodus from Spirit pilots.
waive a magic wand and guarantee that outcome in 2-3 years. But no one can do that, and with that in mind I suspect quite a few crew members have started making others plans either just in case or eject now thinking.
This decision point needs to be reached quickly, and then whoever wins out needs to signal loud and clear what their intentions are base wise or a mass exodus is inevitable. It might be anyway.
#57
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AA will gently tell (remind) JetBlue that AA is the food supply behind NE Alliance. Don't crap where you eat. They will also say we don't need you taking AA mainline customers at our fortress hub DFW
If anyone thinks different, they do not know how AA operates.
My 2 cents
If anyone thinks different, they do not know how AA operates.
My 2 cents
If the merger is successful, B6 will play in these big hub markets of DFW, ORD, DTW, ATL just like southwest and spirit currently do. I could see LAS shrinking from poor yields and ACY closing as there is a base up the street at EWR.
#58
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Posts: 187
I completely agree with you, but that wasn't what I was specifically referring to in my post. That comment was more to the people that say "Spirit pilots should want the merger with JB simply because JB pilots make more money." AKA, money isn't everything, and being able to be live-in-base also contributes to that equation.
#59
AA will gently tell (remind) JetBlue that AA is the food supply behind NE Alliance. Don't crap where you eat. They will also say we don't need you taking AA mainline customers at our fortress hub DFW
If anyone thinks different, they do not know how AA operates.
My 2 cents
If anyone thinks different, they do not know how AA operates.
My 2 cents
#60
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AA will gently tell (remind) JetBlue that AA is the food supply behind NE Alliance. Don't crap where you eat. They will also say we don't need you taking AA mainline customers at our fortress hub DFW
If anyone thinks different, they do not know how AA operates.
My 2 cents
If anyone thinks different, they do not know how AA operates.
My 2 cents
JB is not subservient to AA.
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