It’s clear you guys don’t know what to focus on. If you aren’t demanding Tumi suitcases then you’ve lost your minds :D

I've read a lot of posts recently. And occasionally I come across a post and say to myself "there it is, the dumbest post on APC" and think there's no way someone can top that. And then I'm proven wrong again. Congrats.

Now that is official. What is your guys most junior/senior bases. Not trying to start a measuring contest but looking forward to growing the Jetblue brand all over the USA and not just the north east/fll.

So there’s an agreement between boards. The approval by the DOJ though, does that pertain to the buyout of NK or the merge of the 2 airlines?

It’s almost like people have been in the airline game for five minutes. “Third listers” at USair/AA ring a bell

Until DOJ approval, the airlines can't merge anything, and in fact JB won't even be able to make the purchase, let alone have ownership of Spirit. That's 12-24 months away. Until then they are 99.9% separate companies, other than any MUTUAL agreement between the two managements of how to manage the separate companies. As such, both companies will continue to grow and compete as if they are separate, because they are. It is also possible that the DOJ never approves the transaction, which is why both companies will continue to grow and compete individually.

It is also in JB's long term interest for Spirit to grow and ideally manage a good airline.

Now, you COULD potentially see NK SOPs over time align more closely with JBLU's, voluntarily, in future months. You could see a minor shift in NK business model/customer policies, voluntarily, in future months.

Or possibly nothing at all until DOJ approval.

let’s hope the doj turns this down.

Someone (claiming no dog in the fight) mentioned how they were sorry for NK pilots in FL and how they had to go to JFK or downgrade to maintain QOL.

Here is an excerpt from Robin

"Both Fort Lauderdale and Orlando are JetBlue focus cities and the combined airline will offer 145 daily flights at FLL and more than 140 daily flights at Orlando International Airport (MCO)."

Currently we have about 70 departures out of FLL and around that in MCO (not sure). How does one expect an NK pilot based in FL has to start worrying? I guess those added flights from NK will be crewed by ghosts.

The juices are flowing on this one lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2c6f1b70cb.jpg

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Why, specifically?

You also need to read the SCOPE section of each our contracts. Both of our contracts prevent the scenario you describe.

You should be very comforted that JetBlue specifically has has very strong language that not only prohibits what you are saying but also REQUIRES a JCBA first. We have substantially more leverage with JetBlue than we ever did with frontier.

The goal for most airlines is to control the largest market share possible in it's hubs/focus cities. It allows for better pricing power as customers have fewer choices and because your airline has the most attractive network/schedule. The notion that JB won't try and keep as much market share as possible in any of it's large/medium focus city markets is beyond stupid.

Love the blue and yellow Kool aid, pretty funny.

First half 2024 for DOJ approval decision.

B6 Comm's
 

For the NK pilots. Here's the comm's we received on our side this morning.


Dear Crewmembers,

I have great news to share. We have reached an agreement to buy Spirit Airlines to create a low-fare, customer-centric competitor to the Big Four airlines. This is exciting news, including for the many Crewmembers who have wanted us to accelerate our growth, especially in the focus cities outside of the Northeast and in legacy carrier hubs across the US.



Spirit's Airbus fleet and network fit perfectly with ours, and together with their 10,000 team members, we will fly more routes in more cities faster than we could on our own. Once Spirit is integrated into JetBlue we’ll be the nation's fifth largest airline, with about 9% market share. We'll still be smaller than the Big Four airlines, but with more than 1,700 daily flights we'll have more opportunities to challenge those legacy carriers to lower their fares and step up their game — just as we've been doing for 22 years.



A bigger JetBlue is good for Crewmembers, too. Whether you work on the front line or in the support center, a larger airline will provide more career and flying opportunities, as well as more investment in programs like JetBlue Scholars, our Gateways program and Support Center pathways.


The combined airline will be based in New York, but we will use this combination to expand our presence and grow jobs in Central and South Florida as well. We're looking forward to welcoming Spirit's team members into JetBlue once the deal closes. We've now had a chance to meet with Spirit's team face to face and have come to a very friendly place with them. I'm confident we will work very well together after closing. And we want all of Spirit's team members to feel welcome here at JetBlue. If you happen to talk to Spirit's team members on the line or while you are traveling, please share a little of that blue juice with them and let them know how excited we are that they will be joining us.


I know many of you will have your own questions about how we are going to integrate JetBlue and Spirit. It's important, though, we don't get ahead of ourselves. It will take quite some time before we are one airline. In fact, until Spirit's shareholders and the government approve our deal, we remain two separate companies with independent operations. And once we have gotten the green light to move forward, there will still be a lot of work to do to function as one, including sunsetting the Spirit brand, retrofitting their fleet and bringing together our operating and ticketing systems. We are also looking forward to learning from the Spirit team and bringing the best of the airline into JetBlue.


Now, while it's a long way off; when the time comes to consider incorporating our teams, especially combining unionized and non-union groups and groups with different unions, we're committed to working with our respective people and labor leaders to ensure a larger JetBlue is a winning proposition for all Crewmembers. And we will, of course, follow the law that governs seniority integration for our industry. All of this will not happen overnight though. Between JetBlue and Spirit, we'll put a great team in place to get the job done and we'll keep you posted in the months ahead.


Today is a day to celebrate though, I know there's a lot to manage in our day-to-day business right now, but we can't let that stop us from making game-changing moves that set us up for our future. By acquiring Spirit, we are making an important investment that will benefit us for the long term. In five or ten years we will look back on this as another defining moment for JetBlue, one that gave our one-of-a-kind airline with a brand that people love, award-winning service and everyday low fares, the opportunity to reach more people in more places than we ever have before. Thanks for all you are doing and we'll talk much more about this in the weeks and months ahead.


Robin Hayes
Chief Executive Officer

Well that's JB's projection, at the latest I believe they said.

Can we get reciprocal JS priority.

please.

What you talking’ bout Willis?

I’d appreciate if someone could clarify this for me, but I assume work on a JCBA will start in the not too distant future. However, once it’s finished, what’s the soonest it can go into effect? I of course want to use all the leverage we have to get the best JCBA possible, just curious if there is an actual official point in the process it can or cannot go into effect.

Legally I think the soonest is after regulatory approval.

because hes a troll. thats why

Well, I wouldn't say he's been "running" it, Bob.

Into the ground, maybe.

Even then, they are required to keep two separate operations until the JCBA is ratified and in place. I’d love to hear ALPA’s take on what that language actually entails.

3% seems to be the magic number to get things passed by JetBlue ALPA so JetBlue’s current contract +3%, straight date of hire seniority list.

I think the future is bright for Spirit/JetBlue.

I wish the best of luck to our brothers and sisters at Frontier.

however I think without a merger for Frontier, they are going to face challenges acquiring talent for pilots… They will now eventually vanish into the fog of time.

Watching NK town hall with fearless leader TC. He’s been hittin’ the blue juice hard.

God this is a dumb post, seriously.

Frontier at least posted a profit as an airline yesterday, whereas we are slated for another loss. We remain one of the few airlines that still cant make a buck coming out of 2020. Remember how the F9 deal was a sure thing? Things can and do fall apart, so stop it with the "Frontier is doomed, we are awesome."

Way too early to spike the football while we remain a money losing airline who cant retain talent and a CEO who cares more about his bailout than the day to day operations.

New livery is out!
 

Agreed 100%. Not sure why people feel the need to make predictions on Frontiers future. They are run by a company that owns 6 airlines, I’m sure they have it handled.

Anybody know if the NK pilots on the Bus will still be on the bus once the merger happens? Seems like it wouldn't make sense to send a bunch of bus pilots back to get typed/trained on a different aircraft. I know the bus pays the highest at JB

Say what?

No man. There will be a process agreement negotiated between the two MECs and a "bump and flush" from aircraft wont happen. Once the lists are merged, and any aircraft fences are down, pilots will then be free to use their seniority to bid any vacancies their seniority can hold for that bid

Alright I owe someone a beer that snuck the synergies question in and even better that it was last question 😂

Frontier posting a profit this quarter is meaningless if they can’t grow the airline in a year from now… eventually they will run out of 1500 hour CFI’s to choose from and succumb to pilot attrition.

if Jetblue and Spirit get a really good contract from this JCBA and become the fifth largest airline that will be more incentive for pilots.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how...it-11659002170

^^^ According to this article it’s all about the pilot attrition

Not sure why you think a JCBA and being the 5th biggest airline will move the needle for people. Even a great JCBA (it won't be industry leading) won't keep people who want to fly wide bodies or upgrade in 2 years.

paywall

filler

JB management will not want you to have a new contract. They like having a lower paid pilot group. They will grow the Spirit side of the airline and do everything they can to not allow the two groups to merge, including not negotiating a contract which is the first step.

Don’t expect a new contract anytime soon. The good news is the Spirit side of B6 will grow as much as management can let it and the legacy JB side not so much.

When UAL and CAL merged, new management flew the sides as separate airlines and grew the cheaper CAL side of the airline. I expect that to happen here as well. JB Management didn’t buy a ULCC to make their costs higher.

Another person new to the airline world.

it let me read it the second time I clicked onto it.

No they bought us to expand their network overnight (in essence) CAL did not grow at the expense of UAL, what are you smoking. And we will make there costs higher, retrofitting all our A/C and hopefully hiring some decent FA's who are willing to actually work instead of complaining.

^^^The very first post on here.


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