cool story, but still a paywall

good point, maybe badalza will come back.

I stand by my rhetoric! 😂

🙄 yes let’s spend 4bil just to run another airline that will have a hard time retaining pilots…

okay….so….

Do you intentionally not pay attention?

B6's pilot contract says any merger must have a CBA in 6 months or they pay B6 pilots substantial penalties.
The Merger language says they have to have a merger close by December or it pays penalties to the NK shareholders.

But yeah, I'm sure B6 management will drag it out to save a few pennies on spirit pilots.

say what now?

I don't see that language anywhere, so I don't know what he's talking about.

JetBlue CBA 1.E.2

A single collective bargaining agreement will be negotiated by the pilot
groups and the Companies subject to the transaction or their Successor.
While such negotiations are ongoing and until a Joint Collective
Bargaining Agreement is ratified the status quo as specified in the agree-
ment(s) of the impacted pilot group(s) will apply. Each pre-merger carrier
shall keep separate flight operations of the carriers and will not transfer
or interchange pilots or aircraft between the carriers unless otherwise
negotiated and agreed to by the Association, and shall ensure that all
Company aircraft on hand or on order at the time of the transaction are
operated only by JetBlue Pilots. This will not prohibit the carrier from
obtaining a single operating certificate.

There's a whole bunch of inbound buses on the way. Who do you think is supposed to push the buttons on them. Jeez man, think

well there’s a bunch of 220s inbound too. Someone has to push those buttons. But it all
Comes down to the SLI which will be a huge make or break for all of us. I understand his Question. But that’s like step #874 and we are on #1. Long ways to go before the real big ticket items will be addressed.

220s are a direct replacement for the 190s this is old old info.
And here we have another new contestant.

you’re often a whiney little troll yourself who gets time outs from the site. I’d dial back this new charade of superiority and talking down to people that you’re trying to put on. It’s still no coincidence that another poster named you troglodyte.

There won't be a bump and flush anyway. No one will be forced off their A320. The A220s have a pay rate of $272 an hour, and the last time I checked we fly for money, so the A220 isn't any kind of purgatory...

54 190s
100 220s on order.

That’s a direct replacement to you? Or is that a net gain of 220s? 46 difference is what 500 or so pilots? 500 pilots who perhaps need a new Type in order to stay in left seat.. hence his question. Nice retort though.

They WERE a direct replacement back when there were only 60 on order… now up to 100 orders and deliveries. Even after the few non refurbished A320 are replaced as well it’s still a pretty healthy net gain in airframes.

I know you didn't get to go back beneath Lord Franke like you wanted, but complaining about ~46 net growth airframes at $272 an hour is a very special kind of sand in your V reaction.

You’re reading comprehension isn’t so good is it? Show me we where I complained about 46 220s? I could not care less as ill never bid it. And Franke who’s 85 at 51% ownership scared me a lot less than Robin at 100%. And perhaps you’ll be at JetBluew U when we all get indoctrinated with blue juice? Will you be in the corner handing out matching Nikes?

Huh? Robin is the CEO, he does NOT own 100% of JB LOL Do you know what the CEO is for a company?? You seem very confused here

Robin doesn't own 100%. You raised the A220 issue, because you think it's an issue, or you wouldn't have raised it.

That blue juice line is adorable, but in reality there isn't any blue juice out on the line. But keep being sour about your new reality, although I doubt it will serve you constructively.

yeha I’m not confused. Just didn’t state it clearly. Apologies. But he mentioned LORD Franke .. the majority stakeholder who owns 51% of the controlling interest is not a lord. And therefore didn’t frighten me. Obviously no CEO is lord .. the shareholders are.. but being owned 100% by jetblue which is led by Robin is more frightening to me. I’ve made it clear I want no part of B6. No apologies there. But being what it is, ill deal
with it and show up and fly like a good employee.

the other guy brought up the 220 as direct replacement. It’s not. Hence i mentioned the net gain. And thankfully my new reality is a few years away. Adorable response though. Really hope we can fly together someday .

Can you guys please stop fighting. We need unity for a sweet contract.

I flew with quite a few boomers who thought this way. Some sort of stockholm syndrome admiration for Franky who made their lives miserable but was a "business genius".

Yeah, no thanks.

B6 is led by Robin (for now) controlled by shareholders. ULCC is led by Biffle and controlled by Franke. Franke (Lord) can do whatever he wants since he is the majority shareholder. Robin cannot, he needs BOD and shareholder permission. Your rationale is still flawed

His rationale is super flawed. Franke controls everything over there, everything. Barry has to ask Franke anything and everything. If anyone thinks having Franke involved in anything is better than JetBlue, you need a wake up call.

Franke is a cancer. We just avoided that cancer.

Hear hear!
Filler

I gotcha... honestly man, I at first wanted the F9 deal, mostly because the combined order book, but after taking the time and studying alot and talking to people at F9/NK/B6 I came to the conclusion that B6 is a better move for us. My 1st choice obviously would have been stand alone and maybe get new blood in management, get a new CBA and move forward ourselves that way, but that wasnt really going to happen. But, I believe we will be stronger together with B6 in getting a solid contract(really hoping B6 guys are open to wanting our QOL, unlimited drops). There will be 100 A220's coming while they get rid of the 190's. Thats a net gain right there of 40 planes, they have more options with those. That doesnt even include the 320/321. lets not forget our order book too. More importantly, this will be a long process, longer than what most people think. The DOJ approval will be a long one, but it will eventually get approved. I think when the dust settles and lists are merged and run bids etc we are probably looking at 3yrs. But the deciding factor for me was Franke, it is not good working under him. I get your point with the shareholders having their 48 or 49% but honestly, as someone who spent time working for 2 Wall St firms before I came back to flying who currently is an investor in multiple businesses, we shareholders really dont care how the company is run as long as we are making money. Its a different world when you have been on the other side. Blackrock and Vanguard or whoever are looking for returns only, not how Franke/Biffle run the company and treat employees. The horror stories we hear even today at F9 really doesn't matter to any of their shareholders as they just posted a Q2 profit.

Ill throw this out there though... Ual, AA, Delta, Fedex, UPS hiring the way they are with their movement, upgrades and retirements there is no reason why people should just pull their apps from them. If you are young(CA or FO) id still leave and go there. Everybody I know that left does not regret that move and they are happier, so nooo you dont have to settle and deal with it. There are so many options today that we have never seen in our lifetime as pilots. Even senior CA's I know here are considering leaving... alot of places can make that pay back within 1-2yrs.

Well, this is off to a good start. Can we focus on a JCBA instead or is this going to be a year of back and forth of who’s got the bigger …..

A JCBA is so far off, both airlines will be on their own section 6 way before a JCBA. Concentrate on your own section 6 contracts now and focus on a JCBA when it’s time to do so.

Nuther one of those “Heard it from a guy” so I automatically committed it to my conclusions. World is full of that!

Yeah, it's not a direct replacement anymore, it's a growth fleet. Oh the horror! Doesn't anyone care about the children!

I think your perceptions are warped, and should really try and find the positives, which aren't hard to find.

I’ll be honest, BlueDriver, you’re starting to grow on me.

I've heard it takes a while. And helps to be on the same side I am on. The ones who really take longer to like me are the ones I disagree with. 😁

Inwas literally just getting ready to type this exact thing.

I told you guys 😂

bromance.

stuffer

This one always makes me giggle.

The captains with seniority that bluster about “considering leaving” or “would have left if frontier deal had gone through” are more full of it than Ted acting like he always had faith in B6 on tv interviews.

I completely get the Frontier resentment. To completely switch to a one and two day trip mix when 60% of the pilot group commutes is just terrible. Not to mention sick call problems, paying for snacks/flica/non-rev. As well as the Australian and cfi hiring.

Give it a rest. No ones even talking about this. We’ll deal with our issues, deal with your own. Let’s all work together to get better pay and qol for the entire industry.