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Ratm0820 07-29-2022 10:55 AM

That wasn’t at all aimed at the pilot group. Aimed at Biffle and Franke

LoopsMcDoops 07-29-2022 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Ratm0820 (Post 3469353)
I completely get the Frontier resentment. To completely switch to a one and two day trip mix when 60% of the pilot group commutes is just terrible. Not to mention sick call problems, paying for snacks/flica/non-rev. As well as the Australian and cfi hiring.

I'm with you. The toxic Frontier management was a no-go for me. The clarity that came out of the past 6 months that our management wasn't much different was telling.. The day trips was an absolute mistake.

Bgood 07-29-2022 11:28 AM

Got a little nugget from Today's B6 pocket session in the question bank. Can we stop thinking all the NK pilots will end up in the Northeast now?

We've been telling y'all that mgmt started to realize they need to spread out. Dave is our network and planning guyhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5b8d2167aa.jpg

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Halon1211 07-29-2022 01:29 PM

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/front...210756805.html

what a sore looser!!!

Bgood 07-29-2022 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3469456)

Yup and you can bet he'll be crying to the DOJ after the NK shareholders approve the deal.

BunkerF16 07-29-2022 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3469469)
Yup and you can bet he'll be crying to the DOJ after the NK shareholders approve the deal.

You know this is a point I hand't considered. How many airlines do you think are working behind the scenes to get this deal cancelled.

Nucflash 07-29-2022 02:04 PM

Spirit may be a slightly more expensive airline to fly on after this deal closes, but i can’t imagine any way they won’t offer a significantly and commensurately higher quality product. Frontier will be the new quality bottom feeder and Biffle seems quite proud of it.

BlueSideUp85 07-29-2022 02:04 PM

It sure is interesting how many of these wounded CEOs know all the bad things that will happen if NK and B6 merge.

povertyeagle 07-29-2022 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 3469475)
You know this is a point I hand't considered. How many airlines do you think are working behind the scenes to get this deal cancelled.

All of them.

Especially Deltuh.

Roy Biggins 07-29-2022 02:38 PM

This merger would provide an entire consumer base a legacy experience at a discounted rate. Tell me how that’s unfair? But it’s perfectly ok to have 6 legacies tie up into 3 and call it day? They literally have 80% of the market. Frontier has the ULCC market to itself. There’s a vacuum for more startup airlines. Nothing about this seems unfair.

PilotMechanic 07-29-2022 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3469476)
Spirit may be a slightly more expensive airline to fly on after this deal closes, but i can’t imagine any way they won’t offer a significantly and commensurately higher quality product. Frontier will be the new quality bottom feeder and Biffle seems quite proud of it.

There won’t be a Spirit Airlines after the deal is complete and integrated. It will all be JetBlue product.

Nucflash 07-29-2022 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by PilotMechanic (Post 3469544)
There won’t be a Spirit Airlines after the deal is complete and integrated. It will all be JetBlue product.

That’s got to sound good to the average customer…..except maybe the ones that have turned evading all the Spirit fees into an art form.

My name is BOB 07-29-2022 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3469456)

Really? He seemed pretty calm and collected vs both of y’all’s dumpster fire CEO’s🤣🤣🤣 that one was terrible to watch… and yes, spirits current customers can very well plan on a 40% increase if the deal goes through. That’s called the “JetBlue effect”

CincoDeMayo 07-29-2022 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by My name is BOB (Post 3469616)
Really? He seemed pretty calm and collected vs both of y’all’s dumpster fire CEO’s🤣🤣🤣 that one was terrible to watch… and yes, spirits current customers can very well plan on a 40% increase if the deal goes through. That’s called the “JetBlue effect”

Wow, you sucking at that Biffle teat.

Don’t worry, there will always be trailer parks that need to be emptied out. Used to be Spirit, now it’s all you, “Bob”

Directautogroup 07-29-2022 07:11 PM

The only reason Frontier people would care about this is if they are upset Spirit chose JetBlue over Spirit.

sioux8ships 07-29-2022 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3469629)
Wow, you sucking at that Biffle teat.

Don’t worry, there will always be trailer parks that need to be emptied out. Used to be Spirit, now it’s all you, “Bob”

I heard Biffle has an unscheduled meeting with the Bob’s.

My name is BOB 07-29-2022 09:16 PM

Wow. That’s the best y’all could do? Man, seemed about as successful as y’all’s over lords YouTube video. Y’all seem slow so I’ll add there was extreme sarcasm in that message. Carry on.

My name is BOB 07-29-2022 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3469629)
Wow, you sucking at that Biffle teat.

Don’t worry, there will always be trailer parks that need to be emptied out. Used to be Spirit, now it’s all you, “Bob”

You seem to forget that you’re still not far from that trailer park you speak of. Still lots of hurdles to jump through before you’re so much better than everyone else. I’ll save this comment though bc it might come in useful late good sir way up there…🤣🤣

Trylabyte 07-29-2022 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by Directautogroup (Post 3469631)
The only reason Frontier people would care about this is if they are upset Spirit chose JetBlue over Spirit.

completely correct, the only thing i would say is that they havn't missed out on anything. if f9 and nk merged, god forbid, we would all just be under that mgmt group. what a terrible thought. With that being said united must be getting flooded with apps from f9 im guessing.

My name is BOB 07-29-2022 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Trylabyte (Post 3469689)
completely correct, the only thing i would say is that they havn't missed out on anything. if f9 and nk merged, god forbid, we would all just be under that mgmt group. what a terrible thought. With that being said united must be getting flooded with apps from f9 im guessing.

🤣🤣🤣 just a heads up for the spirit guys that seem to think they’re instantly so much better than everyone else… I can promise you the F9 guys are extremely happy this is over. We’re moving forward while you all sit in limbo for the next 2 years not even knowing what you are. I have a ton of friends at spirit who are great guys so I know that I’m only speaking to the 1%’er group here. It’s funny how y’all just jumped a pedestal so quick. Time will tell how this plays out. I do truly hope the best for y’all and the smurfs. When I say smurfs, I’m definitely singling out the few that run rampant up in here. Most the JetBlue guys seem very down to earth. Good luck

Lincoln Osiris 07-29-2022 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by My name is BOB (Post 3469691)
🤣🤣🤣 just a heads up for the spirit guys that seem to think they’re instantly so much better than everyone else… I can promise you the F9 guys are extremely happy this is over. We’re moving forward while you all sit in limbo for the next 2 years not even knowing what you are. I have a ton of friends at spirit who are great guys so I know that I’m only speaking to the 1%’er group here. It’s funny how y’all just jumped a pedestal so quick. Time will tell how this plays out. I do truly hope the best for y’all and the smurfs. When I say smurfs, I’m definitely singling out the few that run rampant up in here. Most the JetBlue guys seem very down to earth. Good luck

good lord just go away already

My name is BOB 07-29-2022 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3469692)
good lord just go away already

And a 1% showed up as expected. Hi way up there🤣

Popeye0537 07-30-2022 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by My name is BOB (Post 3469691)
🤣🤣🤣 just a heads up for the spirit guys that seem to think they’re instantly so much better than everyone else… I can promise you the F9 guys are extremely happy this is over. We’re moving forward while you all sit in limbo for the next 2 years not even knowing what you are. I have a ton of friends at spirit who are great guys so I know that I’m only speaking to the 1%’er group here. It’s funny how y’all just jumped a pedestal so quick. Time will tell how this plays out. I do truly hope the best for y’all and the smurfs. When I say smurfs, I’m definitely singling out the few that run rampant up in here. Most the JetBlue guys seem very down to earth. Good luck

Actually we won't be in "limbo". It will be business as usual, planes still coming bases still opening and $19 fares abound. If for some reason this does get shot down by the DOJ we'll still be the largest ULCC in the country.

PossibleDeviation 07-30-2022 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3469778)
Actually we won't be in "limbo". It will be business as usual, planes still coming bases still opening and $19 fares abound. If for some reason this does get shot down by the DOJ we'll still be the lowest paid pilot group in the country.

*Fixed it for ya

LoopsMcDoops 07-30-2022 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by My name is BOB (Post 3469694)
And a 1% showed up as expected. Hi way up there🤣

Hate to break this to you but...your friends were being nice to you. They feel sorry for you. It's not you...it's your management. I was the same way with my F9 buddies, I danced around simply just saying there's no way I would work for your terrible management.

There were alot of F9 supporters when JB first made an offer. I can promise you that most I know..by far..switched to supporting a JB takeover. It's not our fault your management and ours came out and directly told us not to expect more money. We didn't make them shrink bases where we live. We didn't make them lie to shareholders and by extension, us, trying to push through a bum deal.

NK and F9 showed their hand. It sucked. We are free from Frankie. Focus your attention on pushing them to support you instead of treating you like crap.

CLE to IAH 07-30-2022 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by My name is BOB (Post 3469691)
🤣🤣🤣 just a heads up for the spirit guys that seem to think they’re instantly so much better than everyone else… I can promise you the F9 guys are extremely happy this is over. We’re moving forward while you all sit in limbo for the next 2 years not even knowing what you are. I have a ton of friends at spirit who are great guys so I know that I’m only speaking to the 1%’er group here. It’s funny how y’all just jumped a pedestal so quick. Time will tell how this plays out. I do truly hope the best for y’all and the smurfs. When I say smurfs, I’m definitely singling out the few that run rampant up in here. Most the JetBlue guys seem very down to earth. Good luck


do you know if NK guys are over on the animal board trying to convince everyone how happy they are now that it’s not happening?

i don’t know because I haven’t been over there. But since you’re here begging everyone to believe you’re super happy now, can you let us know?

Halon1211 07-30-2022 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3469778)
Actually we won't be in "limbo". It will be business as usual, planes still coming bases still opening and $19 fares abound. If for some reason this does get shot down by the DOJ we'll still be the largest ULCC in the country.


I spent some time on frontier‘s website trying to find those $19 fairs and could not find a single one. I searched exactly to all the criteria (Black out date, certain days of the week, etc.) couldn’t not find a single one I found

now, I know Spirit has done the same in the past and I’m not saying there’s is honest either.

LoopsMcDoops 07-30-2022 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3469810)
I spent some time on frontier‘s website trying to find those $19 fairs and could not find a single one. I searched exactly to all the criteria (Black out date, certain days of the week, etc.) couldn’t not find a single one I found

now, I know Spirit has done the same in the past and I’m not saying there’s is honest either.

Those rates are a loss leader. It's a great strategy to get people in the seats and try to get add-ons like snacks, baggage fees, etc. In terms of an airline business model, the more budget the airline, the more of these rates you will see. The legacies really don't offer them because their pricing is typically all inclusive. These budget rates are also usually very restrictive. They are usually offered in the flying off seasons, at odd times, and to/from locations where traffic is light or a company is new to a market. It's a tactic that can work. But they of course are not exclusive to NK/F9. JB offers them, and of course so does SW. They are pretty common over at SW but with a big caveat that they are not really considered a loss leader because "bags fly free."

Bragging about a $19 rate isn't really a good idea. Unless a person adds on a bunch of other fees, that seat is being sold usually at a loss, but less of a loss than it would be if it were empty. The real concern for the ULCC model is that they are painted into the leisure travel corner. Business travelers are the ones with the money. They splurge on a lot since its typically not their money they are spending. We are seeing our bases in big cities being reduced simply because we cannot drive the same kind of traffic that a legacy, SW, or JB can. We are being moved slowly to leisure markets because this is where the ULCC model shines, but that is all we have. Any upset in that market and we go back to reducing our margins in profitability majorly.

My name is BOB 07-30-2022 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3469788)
do you know if NK guys are over on the animal board trying to convince everyone how happy they are now that it’s not happening?

i don’t know because I haven’t been over there. But since you’re here begging everyone to believe you’re super happy now, can you let us know?

They’re definitely all over our board, hovering above us though, talking down to us from that pedestal 🤣🤣

I’ll just start waving toward the ceiling when I pass yall in the terminal 🤣🤣 only kidding of course. I do hope the best for y’all, y’all have always been extremely nice to me when I ride on y’all. You got a top notch group over there.

Halon1211 07-30-2022 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by My name is BOB (Post 3469882)
They’re definitely all over our board, hovering above us though, talking down to us from that pedestal 🤣🤣

I’ll just start waving toward the ceiling when I pass yall in the terminal 🤣🤣 only kidding of course. I do hope the best for y’all, y’all have always been extremely nice to me when I ride on y’all. You got a top notch group over there.

I do have to admit it’s kind of funny how we can be best friends one minute because we’re gonna merge with each other. Then the next minute we’re all enemies because we’re now competitors.

I was actually about to send out a birthday invitation to “my name is Bob” but now I’m not going to anymore. Instead I’m gonna send an invitation to BlueDriver and BeatNavy for my son’s bar mitzvah

everybody and myself included are all buying that blue soap trying to scrub that ULCC stank off and being proud of it.

BeatNavy 07-30-2022 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3469900)
I do have to admit it’s kind of funny how we can be best friends one minute because we’re gonna merge with each other. Then the next minute we’re all enemies because we’re now competitors.

I was actually about to send out a birthday invitation to “my name is Bob” but now I’m not going to anymore. Instead I’m gonna send an invitation to BlueDriver and BeatNavy for my son’s bar mitzvah

everybody and myself included are all buying that blue soap trying to scrub that ULCC stank off and being proud of it.

Only if Dr Sours is coming too.

Bluedriver 07-30-2022 09:19 AM

If I have to read ya'll ONE more time... Good goodness make it stop. Doesn't BOB have something else to do like stick 4 big tires on a rust bucket?

symbian simian 07-30-2022 09:55 AM

Anyone on the JB side willing to point me to a download of your current CBA? I know we will end up with a new one, but just interested.

Halon1211 07-30-2022 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 3469910)
Only if Dr Sours is coming too.

he can’t come. he has a trip with a tropical layover he’s not willing to drop.

Flyby1206 07-30-2022 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3469941)
Anyone on the JB side willing to point me to a download of your current CBA? I know we will end up with a new one, but just interested.

ill PM you a link

symbian simian 07-30-2022 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3469960)
ill PM you a link

Awesome, thanks, got it.

CincoDeMayo 07-30-2022 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3469941)
Anyone on the JB side willing to point me to a download of your current CBA? I know we will end up with a new one, but just interested.

It’s also on our ALPA website, along with some other items relating to the merger

symbian simian 07-30-2022 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by cincodemayo (Post 3469967)
it’s also on our alpa website, along with some other items relating to the merger

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