Wonder if its the pilots coming straight from ATP and other flow programs. I'd love to see those statistics.

We’re definitely getting less experienced candidates, We’re obviously training more than we’ve seen in awhile, so the failure numbers are fairly skewed. I remember when we’d see maybe 1 failure every other month or so. Now it’s 9-10 a month it seems regularly.

I get your point but nobody is commuting to do day turns. I'm in our largest base and there are all of zero day turns in open time, and when they do pop up they are usually gone in the blink of an eye.

I know that it is a constant complaining point on here but the supply of pilots willing to do them is plentiful. Red eye turns not so much....

I flew with a few of those WAY….back in the day at the school I worked for. They came in to rent our twin, which we did at the time. “I graduated ATP”, “I got xxxx multi time”, “I got 1 hour in a citation jet”…that attitude. After flying with some of them I wouldn’t let them near the keys to the plane, never mind the plane itself. One couldn’t keep a stable VISUAL approach to landing without having the ILS guidance, forget about doing it with one engine.

ATP teaches people to pass checkrides, that is all. I know this because I did a private multi there ages ago. I got my multi, but I sure as hell wasn’t safe to go out and fly one along with anything said airplane could throw at me or fly me into and I knew it. That was the last training I ever did there and I went out and found further competent multi instruction thereafter.

I don't know where you're looking but I am seeing it everyday. 1 and 2 day trips litter our schedules now. That is a fact. When the company displaces over a hundred plus families...what do you think they'll be doing. Commuting to do turns. The company has stated their goals publicly and they have already implemented the 1, 2, and 3 day trips.

People living in base may be willing...but when the displacements happen let's see how many people like flying to another city to pay for hotels between their day trips. These schedules are a radical departure from the norm. They are a band-aid to dealing with our unwillingness to invest in the companies infrastructure.

I bid for all turns and got one next month and I’m fairly senior and there are currently zero in open time. No one is going to commute to turns unless they want to and can hold them.

I'm bidding 34% in base and all my trips are two and one day pairings next month. 79 credit with a lousy 13 days off. I will be in my crashpad 5-6 days next month with three one day turns in a row. One day pairings are last in my bid group, and I'm still way to jr to get a four day. Most of my trips aren't commutable, but I'm lucky because I drive, even if its three hours. So yes, people are commuting to do day turns and pay for a pad or hotel.

Ouch! That's a bummer and a little disheartening to hear. Which base?

sounds like you need to learn how to use pbs better

Bidding 47% in base and I get all 4 day trips with no redeyes. Maybe hire PBS gurus or another company to do your bid because with that seniority you can get almost everything you want.