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HC2015 10-29-2022 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3522467)
dont come here for the Dallas base. Future is very cloudy for it.

Understood. Hoping for clarity on its future and for y’all to get a raise before I’m at mins.

CincoDeMayo 10-29-2022 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by HC2015 (Post 3522650)
Understood. Hoping for clarity on its future and for y’all to get a raise before I’m at mins.

It’s pretty simple, as the company has spoke about this as recently as a few days ago on the investor call.

The company is not at full utilization, and won’t be for a while. They need as many resources (crews) in markets that make the most money (Florida) to help increase productivity/utilization etc and help lower CASM numbers as well.

As long as we can’t staff the airline fully, they will pull resources to the areas that make the most money. Currently that is not DFW, DTW and ORD.

lowandslow 10-29-2022 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3522494)
Aside from ready reserve, our reserve is exactly the same as it is at a regional. It might actually be worse, due to the amount of 1 and 2 day trips here. Lots of back and forth to the airport. The world isn't ending here, but let's look at the big picture: Most of us came here for quality of life and bases. Both have been eroded over the last 7-8 months. Trips are inefficient, and we work more days for less pay. A new hire at Mesa will get around 40-50k more in their first year. FWIW, I am leaving, I am just waiting on a class date.

The argument against 1-2 day trips is ridiculous. As a relatively senior local I cannot hold these trash pairings. When they do pop up in open time you have to be ready to log in and pick it up. For a while we had far more 4-day trips which make your schedule much less flexible.

SSlow 10-29-2022 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 3522752)
The argument against 1-2 day trips is ridiculous. As a relatively senior local I cannot hold these trash pairings. When they do pop up in open time you have to be ready to log in and pick it up. For a while we had far more 4-day trips which make your schedule much less flexible.

2x

People keep spewing that argument and it makes me wonder if they even work here.

CincoDeMayo 10-29-2022 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3522780)
2x

People keep spewing that argument and it makes me wonder if they even work here.

3x

The ability to be home more with 1-3 day trips makes this place more tolerable. Short trip lengths go senior. Junior pilots aren’t getting stuck with 1-2 day trips. No way

JulesWinfield 10-29-2022 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3522817)
3x

The ability to be home more with 1-3 day trips makes this place more tolerable. Short trip lengths go senior. Junior pilots aren’t getting stuck with 1-2 day trips. No way

Just looked, and there are 53 1 and 2 day trips in open time for November in my base/category. Those will go to reserves.

baseball3792 10-29-2022 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3522821)
Just looked, and there are 53 1 and 2 day trips in open time for November in my base/category. Those will go to reserves.

What base? I think FLL has the most

CincoDeMayo 10-29-2022 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3522821)
Just looked, and there are 53 1 and 2 day trips in open time for November in my base/category. Those will go to reserves.

I didn’t know you were an FO, thought you have been here for 7-8 years. I can’t speak to the FO open time, but if it’s in FO open time it’s gonna have a lot to do with the massive amounts of drops FOs are doing to hold out for that X list pay. And the fact we are still understaffed on the FO side.


FOs I fly with say how most are dropping their sweet 1-3 day trips for the chance at an X list. If we were staffed, I doubt they would be dropping these days.

In the end, I’ve not heard 1 FO complain about the increased mix of 1-3 day trips.

SSlow 10-29-2022 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3522821)
Just looked, and there are 53 1 and 2 day trips in open time for November in my base/category. Those will go to reserves.

You must not be a captain then

Lakeaffect 10-29-2022 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3522837)
You must not be a captain then

The difference in QOL between a Line holding CA and a 1st year RSV F/O is night and day. I think this thread got off topic, we shouldn’t be talking about how awesome QOL is for line holding captains in base (it’s really good!) If some one coming to spirit now could expect that in 3 years, then yes it would be relevant, but I don’t think any new hire can expect that. It’s going to be a long time to upgrade and hold a line as Capt. for new hires, much longer than most airlines.


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