The likelihood of that is minuscule. The company came to the table early for a reason. The only reason for them to stall if we vote no is for petty vindication. Which I have no doubt they would succumb to, but they also have to answer to shareholders.

Its embarrassing that our MEC would try to scare us into accepting this subpar contract, except for 12 year CA of course....remind me what payscale the negotiating committee falls under?

Also, Im just gonna mention it on every post I make from now on: this TA lets the company raise 1st pay to 137 in the future without giving us anything. Look how well thats going for frontier right now. if we vote this in it never goes away. B6 will want it. it might not matter now but in 15 years...

The question is this-

Had the JB numbers come out before the Spirit numbers, would this have been presented to you?

Especially considering the same people who brought us this TA are going to be negotiating the SLI.

Better yet, I’d like to see this as a lanyard, not just for the NK group but for all of us in Section 6:


It IS next time!

We all know you cant vote and you need it to pass so you can pay your bills for the next 9 months. The question is, are you willing to sell us all out because you dont plan on being here when it eventually bites us all in the ass?

Nope.


……….

I’ll take **** You’d Never Say to Someone’s Face for $200.

Ok, that's a good one too

As a Frontier guy, I agree 100%.

We didn't think much of it when it was a TA, but now, it's been a very significant thing.

Frontier raised 1st year pay twice, started paying for hotels and added a sign on bonus. All of which didn't require the company to come to the union

So in essence "industry leading"? Nicely done. 😘

Cant vote, don’t need the money, and don’t really care if it passes. I just have a different opinion on what will ultimately help the most than you do. We’ll see which one wins out in a few weeks, and after that, we may find out if you guys are right or not that spirit will come right back to the table. If they do, you can give me an I told you so.

It was going to be close before, but after Jet Blue embarrassing our entire TA, it will easily fail 70-30.

Fumeevented you got industry lowest rated your whole life and now ur DIGNITY is at stake with this TA? Give me a break

Your first year guys are leaving because your company doesnt offer them anything, and when they do you cry and whine about your a 40k raise. Which you dont deserve because spirit hasnt posted a profit in years.

this guy is dead on!!!

Yeah, I emailed the union and told them I would forgo my salary for 2 months to help the company turn a profit.

Yes thats why your a whiny pilot and not a BUSINESSMAN

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

First year pay and the subsequent attrition is not my problem. The union roadshow quantified just what this first year pay raise cost us in negotiating capital, and that cost is over 90 million dollars. That’s 90 million that is not going towards getting our pay to market rate. It is the largest cost component of this TA.

I. WILL. NOT. FINANCE. ATTRITION.

It actually is your problem and you WILL finance attrition. But its okay you live in lala land so you dont realize that yet.

Second year FO at Endevor comes to spirit forum to manage our expectations. That’s rich

First year FO at delta. I know you no guys love doing your little research on accounts and use that as your logic to argue topics, not actual facts.

Pay no attention to these “no voters”.

they’re not even gonna go to the roadshow and listen to what the other side has to say because their minds already made up that they have more experience that the NC.

Well, he probably makes more than any Spirit FO.

No doubt. Wouldn’t any airline pilot want every other airline pilot to fight for the most money. Why try and manage someone’s expectations down.

Naw, spoiled, snot nosed narcissist’s wish bad on other airline pilots. Now he can do the delta ignore while walking in the terminal when Spirit guys pass by and says hi.

I do like that about ATL. I don’t have to waive at every pilot I see every 10ft

Fails 55/45

The beauty of internet forums is that you can be whoever you want.

$100 says deltadouche2022 is either a jealous baggage handler or a smurf with the TSA. Probably makes $40k/year and hates pilots.

No chance in hell is he a pilot with any of the big 3...people doing better than the rest generally don't go out of their way to spew hate toward others in the industry.

This is 100% correct!

I would. Im an *******

I know, for 100% certain, that at least one of them is.

So you stand on the shoulders of other men who fought for contracts and call yourself tall.

Had you entered this industry twenty years ago, you would be a regional jet lifer with the attitude you have. I am very happy you got in during this hiring climate.

Please, say more.

...ok, i seem to have hit a nerve with many here. I will just clarify that I do think 1st year pilots deserve 137 an hour. I dont think they should suffer and I dont feel like there are any dues they should pay because "i did it".

I once asked my rep (who apparently has changed their mind with this TA) why we cant just raise 1st year pay so that we are properly staffed and I was convinced that we cant give the company something they want (raising 1st year pay) without getting something in return. This gives that away. If this was the penultimate payscale and we didnt have to worry about future leverage then whatever, but I dont think it is.

High first year pay and the ability to move first year pay are two very different things

Bro it’s funny how in one post you **** on the guys hoping for a raise and then in the next claim you want 1st year guys to get a raise. One things for sure, you’re not paying anyone’s bills but your own. To try and push your dumbass opinions on others trying to make it into year 2 is delta douchy. And I promise you wouldn’t say that bull**** to me. We need to bring back bullying because of dumbasses like you.

What’s wrong man? Did your FA gf leave you for someone on year 3?

Lol. What is the point of even saying this? What could you possibly do?

It’s not about what I could do. It’s about what you little 20 year olds think you would do. Don’t say **** on here that you wouldn’t say to someone sitting next to you. You wanna argue the merits of the TA? Go ahead. But it’s absolutely astonishing the BS you guys write in this fake ass fairy tale forum of yours.

No, I actually would love to hear what you’d do to someone who got you this mad in person as you are on a forum. This is pure gold.

He's going to take their mother out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again