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Old 01-10-2023 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Amazing how simple it is. Without even factoring in the other issues, it’s that simple. Straight cash in everyone’s check Jan 31
its not a contest, but if another airline signs with nothing but a pay raise, no loss of work rules and improvements in some areas, I’ll say “good job” to them too.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Amazing how simple it is. Without even factoring in the other issues, it’s that simple. Straight cash in everyone’s check Jan 31
And raises both the baseline and expectations on further negotiations for the JCBA or resumption of CBA negotiations in two years (or less) if the JB deal falls through. It isn’t like somebody just shot your dog or something.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
And raises both the baseline and expectations on further negotiations for the JCBA or resumption of CBA negotiations in two years (or less) if the JB deal falls through. It isn’t like somebody just shot your dog or something.
Might as well have. We literally just approved to make less than allegiant. How embarrassing.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Don’t worry, theirs will pass handsomely too this month and we can decide how much they cared about NK respect with their yes vote.

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Of course theirs will pass, decent pay raise, nice bonus and a snap up. I’ll just sit here and think of ways to spend my bonus now that the ta passed, oh wait……..
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Old 01-10-2023 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Tx Paratroopr
I think we can all say we hope everyone who voted yes is right and can say I told you so.

We can't even convince the company of the value of us as a pilot group. I doubt JetBlue will or there pilot group should have any respect for us at this point
JetBlues pilot group voted yes for scope concessions for a 3% raise… hard for them to throw stones with that glass house.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Might as well have. We literally just approved to make less than allegiant. How embarrassing.
Please just post facts…. I’m not intimately familiar with Allegiant’s pay rates, I’m assuming you’re saying the ones on APC are wrong because it looks like Allegiants top rate is $230/ hour. I’d say the Spirit rates that just passed are significantly higher than that.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
JetBlues pilot group voted yes for scope concessions for a 3% raise… hard for them to throw stones with that glass house.
Um, this guy again? SOME of JB's pilots voted to give scope relief for the AA codeshare. Nearly half said no. Still not good, but let's not pretend they gave away 50-76 seat RJ operations like the legacies.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Please just post facts…. I’m not intimately familiar with Allegiant’s pay rates, I’m assuming you’re saying the ones on APC are wrong because it looks like Allegiants top rate is $230/ hour. I’d say the Spirit rates that just passed are significantly higher than that.
Lincoln is a clown; he is referring to the unsolicited rates Allegiant management sent to their homes, trying to circumvent the union, ala Bendo 2017. Lincoln is a slow study and doesn’t understand the many things their contract lacks and what the company offer lacked, like competitive retirement and any sort of LTD program, to name 2.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Um, this guy again? SOME of JB's pilots voted to give scope relief for the AA codeshare. Nearly half said no. Still not good, but let's not pretend they gave away 50-76 seat RJ operations like the legacies.
Yeah, just about time for all the dick-measuring and holier than thou $hit between the two pilot groups to be finished and for the two pilot groups to start working on the best JCBA they both can get, complicated by the fact NK people need to deal with a multi fleet mindset. And if the 321NEO isn’t a different category, the 321 XLR damn sure ought to be.
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Old 01-10-2023 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Please just post facts…. I’m not intimately familiar with Allegiant’s pay rates, I’m assuming you’re saying the ones on APC are wrong because it looks like Allegiants top rate is $230/ hour. I’d say the Spirit rates that just passed are significantly higher than that.
did you not see what management sent out?
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