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sioux8ships 07-05-2023 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3660921)
Our MEC does not undervalue those provisions. Those provisions were fought and won for, in binding arbitration. They actually value those provisions highly, unlike some pilots who always ask “so what’s so good about the work rules, I don’t get it”

Exactly. Still went ahead and added that they were non-negotiable in the comments section.

Excargodog 07-05-2023 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3659535)
It’s based on longevity, different longevity gets different rates.

It’s clear our NC and Management used an excel spread sheet when coming up with DOS1 rates and basically adjusting the raises at DOS1, to see total cost, and going from there. There isn’t a universal flat %.

So a 12 year CA will see a 4% raise and a 5 year CA will see the 7.5%

We are still trying to fix the horrendous slope of the 2010 contract, trying to shallow it out over each contract. I don’t like this variable % increase, but they (NC) will tell you it’s trying to fix the slope against a management that doesn’t want to.

I think from the management point of view it is based on ATTRITION. They are losing damn few 12 year CAs, but a younger 5 year CA - still on reserve - getting a CJO offer from a legacy is a whole lot more tempted to jump ship.

vegabondpilot 07-05-2023 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3660921)
Our MEC does not undervalue those provisions. Those provisions were fought and won for, in binding arbitration. They actually value those provisions highly, unlike some pilots who always ask “so what’s so good about the work rules, I don’t get it”

Good. I sure hope the JetBlue pilot group gets it. This is 100% worth [labor_action_not_allowed_to_talk_about] over. Honestly, I'll probably go somewhere else if we lose either DTZ or the grid rules. it's very powerful for guys like me who like to determine their own schedule.

CincoDeMayo 07-05-2023 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by vegabondpilot (Post 3660982)
Good. I sure hope the JetBlue pilot group gets it. This is 100% worth [labor_action_not_allowed_to_talk_about] over. Honestly, I'll probably go somewhere else if we lose either DTZ or the grid rules. it's very powerful for guys like me who like to determine their own schedule.

if you are willing to bail over Drop to Zero, I would get your applications out now, unless its just exaggeration on your part. Dont miss out on a thousand spots of seniority at a legacy while you wait around to see what happens to DTZ.

vegabondpilot 07-05-2023 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3661046)
if you are willing to bail over Drop to Zero, I would get your applications out now, unless its just exaggeration on your part. Dont miss out on a thousand spots of seniority at a legacy while you wait around to see what happens to DTZ.

Is the ability to shape your schedule as good at a legacy? I have several friends at each and I'm not convinced it is. The red/green requirement is more important than drop to zero, but they have a synergistic effect on what you can do. If we lose either, it'll be a significant blow to QOL. I'll prob go back to contract flying, or do something else entirely. And yes, I'm serious. It's that important to me.

8JRMfortheyear 07-05-2023 05:44 PM

We are light years behind b6 cba.

Tornado875 07-05-2023 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3661126)
We are light years behind b6 cba.

But muh drop to zero

8JRMfortheyear 07-05-2023 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Tornado875 (Post 3661133)
But muh drop to zero

Soon to go bye bye

Crjdeuce 07-05-2023 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3661164)
Soon to go bye bye

Don’t understand you guys who are publicly willing to give things up. There is absolutely no reason we should give up DTZ or 4 days off. The ball is in our court and you are showing weakness on a public forum.

Lincoln Osiris 07-05-2023 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Crjdeuce (Post 3661175)
Don’t understand you guys who are publicly willing to give things up. There is absolutely no reason we should give up DTZ or 4 days off. The ball is in our court and you are showing weakness on a public forum.

Definity should not have to give it up. However, it seems the majority of our pilot group is more than happy to take far LESS than industry standard compensation as long as they can drop trips.


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