Survey accuracy
06-28-2023, 07:44 AM
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Survey accuracy
When filling out the survey and answering the pay questions make sure you’re using up to date pay comparisons at other airlines. JetBlue/delta/AA AIP. Airline pilot central does not have current cycle numbers.
delta
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
jetblue
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/jetblue
2024 numbers not published which would be most accurate for timeline.
Also remember delta is getting their full retirement contribution if out on LTD.
Profit sharing also important.
I’ll leave the work rule or comments section up to each pilot.
delta
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
jetblue
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/jetblue
2024 numbers not published which would be most accurate for timeline.
Also remember delta is getting their full retirement contribution if out on LTD.
Profit sharing also important.
I’ll leave the work rule or comments section up to each pilot.
06-28-2023, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
When filling out the survey and answering the pay questions make sure you’re using up to date pay comparisons at other airlines. JetBlue/delta/AA AIP. Airline pilot central does not have current cycle numbers.
delta
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
jetblue
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/jetblue
2024 numbers not published which would be most accurate for timeline.
Also remember delta is getting their full retirement contribution if out on LTD.
Profit sharing also important.
I’ll leave the work rule or comments section up to each pilot.
delta
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
jetblue
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/jetblue
2024 numbers not published which would be most accurate for timeline.
Also remember delta is getting their full retirement contribution if out on LTD.
Profit sharing also important.
I’ll leave the work rule or comments section up to each pilot.
06-28-2023, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hugh Betcha
Great points, unfortunately I had already hit the send button. Wish I had considered and shared that important facet about the LTD.
SWA/UAL/AA really shouldn’t be considered in the contract comparison document bc they are all on old contracts and AA currently has an AIP which is not included in the document.
06-28-2023, 11:20 AM
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I’m just glad they came to their senses and expanded beyond a phone survey.
a phone survey in 2023.
Someone calls you and you are caught off guard and now have to answer questions about your future wants and needs without the benefit of having time to look over comparisons and think the answer out before hand. It is ALPA after all so maybe it shouldn’t have surprised me.
a phone survey in 2023.
Someone calls you and you are caught off guard and now have to answer questions about your future wants and needs without the benefit of having time to look over comparisons and think the answer out before hand. It is ALPA after all so maybe it shouldn’t have surprised me.
07-02-2023, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
I’m just glad they came to their senses and expanded beyond a phone survey.
a phone survey in 2023.
Someone calls you and you are caught off guard and now have to answer questions about your future wants and needs without the benefit of having time to look over comparisons and think the answer out before hand. It is ALPA after all so maybe it shouldn’t have surprised me.
a phone survey in 2023.
Someone calls you and you are caught off guard and now have to answer questions about your future wants and needs without the benefit of having time to look over comparisons and think the answer out before hand. It is ALPA after all so maybe it shouldn’t have surprised me.
07-02-2023, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
When filling out the survey and answering the pay questions make sure you’re using up to date pay comparisons at other airlines. JetBlue/delta/AA AIP. Airline pilot central does not have current cycle numbers.
delta
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
jetblue
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/jetblue
2024 numbers not published which would be most accurate for timeline.
Also remember delta is getting their full retirement contribution if out on LTD.
Profit sharing also important.
I’ll leave the work rule or comments section up to each pilot.
delta
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
jetblue
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/jetblue
2024 numbers not published which would be most accurate for timeline.
Also remember delta is getting their full retirement contribution if out on LTD.
Profit sharing also important.
I’ll leave the work rule or comments section up to each pilot.
07-02-2023, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Good post. Even the JB numbers are out of date, as we get a ~3% raise on Aug 1st.
07-02-2023, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Looking at the contract comparison guide, says Spirit CAs get a 4%-7.5% increase on 1-1-24. But no explanation as to what triggers the higher end of the range. What causes it to go above 4%?
07-02-2023, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Looking at the contract comparison guide, says Spirit CAs get a 4%-7.5% increase on 1-1-24. But no explanation as to what triggers the higher end of the range. What causes it to go above 4%?
It’s clear our NC and Management used an excel spread sheet when coming up with DOS1 rates and basically adjusting the raises at DOS1, to see total cost, and going from there. There isn’t a universal flat %.
So a 12 year CA will see a 4% raise and a 5 year CA will see the 7.5%
We are still trying to fix the horrendous slope of the 2010 contract, trying to shallow it out over each contract. I don’t like this variable % increase, but they (NC) will tell you it’s trying to fix the slope against a management that doesn’t want to.
07-02-2023, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
12 yr CA pay goes from $300 to $312 in 2024.. barely 4%. I can’t speak for other longevity’s.. maybe it’s more of a % for certain YOS.
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