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CincoDeMayo 07-07-2023 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3662040)
What a confusing statement. Point is I would rather take a 27 hour 4 day vs a 20 hour 4 day regardless of how many legs. With that math that's an extra 3 days at work to make up the difference. No thanks.

Confusing for those who say “A-Spirita Wings” as our call sign.

“4 leg 4 day at 20 hours”. Let’s break it up for Lincoln

4 leg=you fly 4 legs for the trip
4 days= you are working 4 days
20 hours= the pay


Some of us don’t want the SWA workload and prefer to work less.

Lincoln Osiris 07-07-2023 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3662065)
How would it take 3 days to make 7 hours????? It really doesn't. At least not for me. Most of our 20 hour 4 days are easily commutable on both sides. Most of our 27 hour 4 days aren't commutable on either. It is almost 2 full days extra for 7 hours of pay extra. I would be gone 18 days for 81 hours, or 16 days for 80 hours. And that includes having to commute 1 less time with the higher credit trip.

A 27 hour 4 day imputes an average of 6.75 hours per day. To get to 72 hours (rounding up) that is 11 days. To get to that same 72 hours with your 20 hour 4 days imputing a 5 hour credit per day that equals 14.4 duty days so rounding that up as well to 15 its actually an extra 4 day trip just to get to the same min guarantee. "Most of our 27 hour four days" um... what 27 hour four days? Lmao
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Lincoln Osiris 07-07-2023 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3662073)
Some of us don’t want the SWA workload and prefer to work less.

I would prefer to have more days off at home... What you are implying is more days on the road but your leg to stand on is "yea but I don't have to fly as much" I mean really???

symbian simian 07-07-2023 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3662074)
A 27 hour 4 day imputes an average of 6.75 hours per day. To get to 72 hours (rounding up) that is 11 days. To get to that same 72 hours with your 20 hour 4 days imputing a 5 hour credit per day that equals 14.4 duty days so rounding that up as well to 15 its actually an extra 4 day trip just to get to the same min guarantee. "Most of our 27 hour four days" um... what 27 hour four days? Lmao
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Oookay. How about you go back to LYAO. And I will remain sane.

Lincoln Osiris 07-07-2023 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3662112)
Oookay. How about you go back to LYAO. And I will remain sane.

I don't know what LYAO is but I will take that as you don't have a meaningful rebuttal.

CincoDeMayo 07-07-2023 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3662076)
I would prefer to have more days off at home... What you are implying is more days on the road but your leg to stand on is "yea but I don't have to fly as much" I mean really???

Yes, it's called "soft time." Its called a 4 day that pays 20 hours, blocks 17, and a low TAFB (has to be with the 3.5 rig) means I get paid 20, to fly less, and I have at least one large chunk of day 1 or day 4 at home because of the low TAFB, to you know, see family. Versus, blocking 26 to credit 26, while waiting on the short hotel bus for my 10:45 minute layover at the MEM short, no food, no gym, nothing.

One thing you need to try to understand is one size doesnt fit all, not everyone wants to do high block trips. It might not make sense to drive to work to do a 5 hour turn, its min credit (oh God) but some of us are fine with the easier path and are financially not needing to chase the extra money by working like a regional pilot.

symbian simian 07-07-2023 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3662139)
I don't know what LYAO is but I will take that as you don't have a meaningful rebuttal.

okay. remember where you said LMAO? I am suggesting You (hint) keep doing that….. (baby steps)



And yeah, I will have to agree that I don’t really have a meaningful rebuttal to the word salad you posted.

We have several over 25+ hour credit 4 days, including the odd 27 hour one. None of those are commutable as I said. And I could do the math for you again. Or maybe you could try to read what I said again. Having said that, I tried reading what you said several times and it didn’t help me, so I highly doubt you would do better. Impute….. now I’m LMAO.

Lincoln Osiris 07-07-2023 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3662152)
Yes, it's called "soft time." Its called a 4 day that pays 20 hours, blocks 17, and a low TAFB (has to be with the 3.5 rig) means I get paid 20, to fly less, and I have at least one large chunk of day 1 or day 4 at home because of the low TAFB, to you know, see family. Versus, blocking 26 to credit 26, while waiting on the short hotel bus for my 10:45 minute layover at the MEM short, no food, no gym, nothing.

One thing you need to try to understand is one size doesnt fit all, not everyone wants to do high block trips. It might not make sense to drive to work to do a 5 hour turn, its min credit (oh God) but some of us are fine with the easier path and are financially not needing to chase the extra money by working like a regional pilot.

Well if you want to spend more days at work just to make min guarantee then that's on you. Again I don't think I would say that at work out loud.

RiddleEagle18 07-07-2023 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3661917)
I would guess 90% of the NK 4 days are 20hrs or less...... 🙄

Typical ALV is between 73-79 hours, so 20hr 4days work fine...


wtf. You guys don’t even have an ADG?

Lincoln Osiris 07-07-2023 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3662161)
okay. remember where you said LMAO? I am suggesting You (hint) keep doing that….. (baby steps)



And yeah, I will have to agree that I don’t really have a meaningful rebuttal to the word salad you posted.

We have several over 25+ hour credit 4 days, including the odd 27 hour one. None of those are commutable as I said. And I could do the math for you again. Or maybe you could try to read what I said again. Having said that, I tried reading what you said several times and it didn’t help me, so I highly doubt you would do better. Impute….. now I’m LMAO.

I've never heard anyone ever say LYAO ever. Looking at the parings for August for FLL we have 10 trips with 25+ hours out of a total of 242 four day trips so I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "several"? We all know you have to commute as it is all you ever seem to talk about, but that sounds like a YOU problem. If commuting is so bad may I suggest a change in airlines or career?


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