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10-06-2023 | 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer

Quite a few guys do the samething as you do in the slower months so I get that.

I assume that decent QOL goes fairly senior (at least a couple of years depending on BES?) and we’re saying year 1 pilots at NK get decent QOL, but no one seems to acknowledge that part.

After getting off reserve right? Cause your DTZ QOL stuff don't work for reserves. Atleast that's what is being revealed now.

10-06-2023 | 07:00 PM

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How does dropping reserve days work at JB?

If grid is green Drop one, use PTO or (UTO down to 70.) Trade that day for a more red day. If both are green trade one for the other. That’s the basic rule.

10-06-2023 | 09:35 PM

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If grid is green Drop one, use PTO or (UTO down to 70.) Trade that day for a more red day. If both are green trade one for the other. That’s the basic rule.

Understood, thanks

10-06-2023 | 09:45 PM

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After getting off reserve right? Cause your DTZ QOL stuff don't work for reserves. Atleast that's what is being revealed now.

Pretty much, but almost all bases are sun one year to a line on the FO side. Subject to change, of course. I’d be willing to bet, even a year 2 NK pilot, has better QOL sooner for previously stated reasons.

I’m also slightly confused, wasn’t all this explained by other NK pilots in other JB forums? Could’ve sworn I remember someone explaining our months ago? I know that house has been beaten countless times on our forum

10-07-2023 | 04:13 AM

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DTZ and red/green was, but the explanation of how it get to work that way (reserves getting reserved) was never highlighted/mentioned. It's only now, when Blue asked, it was explained. Unless I missed something else. I can tell you now that will be an issue for a good amount of B6 pilots. B6 peeps don't just look at it as serve your time as reserve then enjoy QOL, a lot of more senior guys actually bid reserve. Sometimes, due to this, very junior guys/gals hold a line sooner than later, albeit in the slow months, but they get a break from reserve until they can solidly hold a line.

Hopefully our JNC can come up with some creative way to benefit the majority of B6NK. We got some intricate work ahead of us to do.

10-07-2023 | 06:46 AM

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One year reserve in the left seat has not been the case at Blue especially if you took first available highest paying seat every time. This has been experience in multiple aircraft and bases by many.

10-07-2023 | 07:42 AM

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One year reserve in the left seat has not been the case at Blue especially if you took first available highest paying seat every time. This has been experience in multiple aircraft and bases by many.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe reserve is much longer at JB on the 320 out of FLL and MCO? I would assume that’s why JB spent time negotiating certain reserve rules?

I think it’s about 2-3 years after upgrade on the NK side (at best) to a line. So something like 5-6 year seniority at the company in total for a junior line? At the moment, our junior CAs get used a ton in the FL bases so they regularly credit 100+ a month. Some super senior guys bud reserve and don’t generally don’t fly at all (RAP dependent).

I think the challenge for both pilot groups is trying to agree on a JCBA when we have no idea what the pairings will be constructed and how reserve pilots would be utilized within their buckets/silos

10-07-2023 | 07:48 AM

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If grid is green Drop one, use PTO or (UTO down to 70.) Trade that day for a more red day. If both are green trade one for the other. That’s the basic rule.

Just to clarify, if using PTO you can drop as many reserve days as you want? But UTO only to 70, which is just one reserve day, right? Plus any drop can only be done if grid is green?

10-07-2023 | 07:49 AM

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I think it’ll come down to QOWL. Not knowing how pairings would be constructed and reserve utilized is a challenge when trying to decide how we want a contract to be.

One way to meet in the middle is to maybe have a window for reserve to drop after line holders? Maybe we some sort of no-fly lines where some pilots get to stay home for MMG or 50 hours and not get called at all and no need for reserve (great for slower months and maybe busy months too). Just a few ideas off the top of my head.

I do think there’s a way for all of us to win though. As much as I, and many other NK pilots that I talk to/fly with, are nervous about our QOL in the JCBA, we are hopeful and excited for the merger

10-07-2023 | 08:57 AM

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Just to clarify, if using PTO you can drop as many reserve days as you want? But UTO only to 70, which is just one reserve day, right? Plus any drop can only be done if grid is green?

Yes that is how it works.