Dang, won’t even write my name out

Jokes aside, I explained why reserves can’t drop and how that benefits lineholders in regards to DTZ. I proceeded to share a few ideas on how to make it better. You and diver can’t wrap your head around any of it and argued every step of the way. This is a public forum so it is what it is.

You can bet whatever you want, but I can pretty much assure you that a lot of pilots here are willing to die on the DTZ hill (insert small sampling size comment here). True for every pilot? Idk. Is it DTZ popular among our pilot group? Yes. So expect a fight on this provision.

Idk why you think JB pilots have all the say in this. You need our vote to get a JCBA done. So instead of being dramatic about reserve rules, how about you think of a creative way for all us to win and then email your rep with that idea.

 

I am loving your optimism, and I know you’ve been at one regional before here, but there’s a pretty good bet you’ll be disappointed in the power of our NK vote. You’re assuming our group is 100% united and that we haven’t sold anything for a $ before…

And as for your genius reserve rule reworks, YOU should be emailing reps that as well. I know you’re bright enough to know what the J in JCBA stands for.

 

DTZ and reserve rules are NOT the same provision of the contract, nor are they directly related. You, as a lineholder, benefit from the bad reserve rules, but that doesn't make them connected from the standpoint of the contract. You can die on the DTZ hill, I don't care where you die. And the point is, maybe we all decide to keep DTZ, not my fight, but perfectly fine with that outcome. But, what you don't understand is, we will be keeping the ability for reserves to drop and swap days. That's not going away. What happened to keeping the best from both contracts??? It is entirely possible to keep DTZ and RSV schedule flexibility. You just don't want to, because you want your QOL/money at the expense of others. Classic pilot pulling up the ladder behind them.

Either way, die wherever you want. RSVs will be keeping their ability to drop and swap.

 

I will add that when I say reserve pilots will be able to drop and swap trips, there are already protections that prevent Blue pilots from checkerboarding. So that excuse isn't going to fly.

 

I can't see the career track of CFI to Spirit or JB reserve for five years as any sort of sacrifice whatsoever.

 

We have guys who bid RSV on purpose for QOL, and guys like me who cycle in and out on purpose certain months for QOL. It is not at JB, nor is it at big airlines, nor should it be just something the new guys suffer through.

What happened to the "best of both contracts"?

 

correct. It’s a bid category, not hazing.

 

Not against fair reserve rules. Thought about bidding it myself once or twice. Are you on Catnip? Pretty jumpy to the keyboard around here. Just an observation. For example, now I going to go away from here to shower. Don't trust my Otterbox, so no phone in the shower. I also won't be able to play for the whole afternoon. Maybe the whole day. Oh, the angst!

 

Wrong. UA has had the worst RSV rules in the industry for years. Their new CBA has some improvements but overall they still suck.

I agree with your sentiment tho. Seeking the best of both lineholder and RSV QOL is a must.

 

So much to unpack, but I’ll keep it short.

1) Reserve rules, grid rules, and DTZ go together. Not under the same provision under the CBA, but affects how DTZ to utilized. This was explained by me in details in one of the threads in the JB forum.

2) I’ve said that we have senior folks bidding reserve too because they won’t get called, but you won’t acknowledge that statement.

3) According to you, my regional was more professional than NK because said regional had very similar reserve rules to JB. You know who got to drop/swap/add, very few people because it was a free for all between reserves and lineholders. Having been there and done that, I’m not interested. Language will be VERY important in whatever we get.

4) Before you get your panties in a bunch again, I’ll say that if we can make DTZ work with good reserve rules that make sense, I’m all for it. This is something I’ve stated 5 pages back, but you enjoy arguing in between flights.