Spirit diminishing QOL fact or rumor
10-10-2023 | 12:13 PM
#221
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I agree - I wish we could reliably do it! But I wonder why other unions can't find a way to work this level of flexibility into their contracts - I can't imagine Spirit is carrying more pilots for a given amount of block hours of flying, or maybe they are? But if not, it just doesn't seem like something that should cost the company a lot of money if the metal continues to move, and as you said it'd result in a much happier and productive pilot group.
10-10-2023 | 12:16 PM
#222
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As I mentioned before, reserve rules should be improved. No doubt. How it’s improved will determine how DTZ is utilized (albeit, things like language and grid rules matter a lot too).
At NK, we have different windows for processing add/drop/swap request in seniority order before going to FCFS for the rest of the month. I offered to explain it to you, but didn’t accept. So, now you’re worried about DTZ going out of seniority order and I’m saying that both can be accomplished since it’s currently being done at NK.
10-10-2023 | 12:25 PM
#223
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I mentioned how reserves can be better. I never said that it shouldn’t be improved upon. I did mention how it is now and how that benefits the pilot group as a whole.
As I mentioned before, reserve rules should be improved. No doubt. How it’s improved will determine how DTZ is utilized (albeit, things like language and grid rules matter a lot too).
At NK, we have different windows for processing add/drop/swap request in seniority order before going to FCFS for the rest of the month. I offered to explain it to you, but didn’t accept. So, now you’re worried about DTZ going out of seniority order and I’m saying that both can be accomplished since it’s currently being done at NK.
As I mentioned before, reserve rules should be improved. No doubt. How it’s improved will determine how DTZ is utilized (albeit, things like language and grid rules matter a lot too).
At NK, we have different windows for processing add/drop/swap request in seniority order before going to FCFS for the rest of the month. I offered to explain it to you, but didn’t accept. So, now you’re worried about DTZ going out of seniority order and I’m saying that both can be accomplished since it’s currently being done at NK.
10-11-2023 | 05:30 AM
#224
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It works so fantastic in fact that 59% of the requests made for November were denied due to reserve coverage on the first FCFS window. Now that doesn’t mean that the reserves who are currently able to drop in that window did because looking at the grid before the window closed will show many days where reserve was at or below min before the window opened when the award came out. This language in which you must be green 75% of the time to start and getting rid of our very messy multiple grids and multiple days nonsense would be a good place to start.
10-11-2023 | 07:04 AM
#225
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It works so fantastic in fact that 59% of the requests made for November were denied due to reserve coverage on the first FCFS window. Now that doesn’t mean that the reserves who are currently able to drop in that window did because looking at the grid before the window closed will show many days where reserve was at or below min before the window opened when the award came out. This language in which you must be green 75% of the time to start and getting rid of our very messy multiple grids and multiple days nonsense would be a good place to start.
1. Keeping NK Green grid rules.
2. Getting rid of the JB multiple reserve grid catastrophe that was snuck in in first cba.
10-11-2023 | 08:57 AM
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What people here fail to mention is that yes 75% prior to initial open time must be green. However, a day is "green" if there is 1 or more excess of pilots needed to cover that day. So say you have 75% green with every one of those green by only 1 and then the most senior pilot in initial drops his entire schedule that was on all of those green days. Guess what? The entire grid is now red for the rest of the 99.99% in base. Has this happened? Not that I've seen, but it's something that could. So its not as concrete orgasmic work rule as the NK cheerleaders like to make it out to be.
This is incorrect. They cannot just make it green by 1. The numbers are arbitrary. The starting green spread is based on historical averages which. This language was tested and won in arbitration
10-11-2023 | 08:59 AM
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10-11-2023 | 09:44 AM
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10-11-2023 | 10:44 AM
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Anyone else care to take this? I’m too beaten by the grids themselves to explain it. It certainly wasn’t snuck in. It was deliberate and I personally was lied to by my former Rep when specifically asking the hard question about the 1,2,3 and 4 day wording in the CBA. Ignorance and or “we didn’t think they’d do that.” Is no excuse for 5 years of garbage.
10-11-2023 | 11:49 AM
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Anyone else care to take this? I’m too beaten by the grids themselves to explain it. It certainly wasn’t snuck in. It was deliberate and I personally was lied to by my former Rep when specifically asking the hard question about the 1,2,3 and 4 day wording in the CBA. Ignorance and or “we didn’t think they’d do that.” Is no excuse for 5 years of garbage.
I also wouldn't be able to do the explanation any justice.
Bottom line, there's no way it survives the JCBA, and if they want an explanation they should post a question on the JB board and see if someone wants to explain the abomination.
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