Bingo!

This everyday day of the week!

 

Hopefully everyone will be happy....
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Here's where you lost me... Who said "nobody"? Who has suggested that we shouldn't have the ability to swap schedules around?

Extreme statements that are yours, and weren't made by me, don't help you make your point.

We ALL want schedule flexibility when something changes. We also know that the trips sitting in open time are most likely not going to be the "cream of the crop". Otherwise someone else with similar preferences would have traded for it. There are commuters and there are locals. Some trips are just gross for both groups... But when you need to swap, you need to swap.

And to the fella who had to bring up "being drunk on profit sharing", we already did most of the heavy lifting for you. You were worried we wanted to trade DTZ or Green Grid rules for profit sharing, even though literally no one said as much. Well, you have been proven wrong already, as we achieved the biggest part of the profit sharing improvement already, as well as creating a new FLOOR for pay and retirement in the JCBA.

 

I'm glad you're finally starting to understand how it works.

One quick add: we don't have to rely on trades or swaps. We can drop into and pickup from open time directly. Makes it very easy and flexible.

 

Yeah, we can do that as well, it's just more limited, for now. And no, despite your best efforts, so far I've learned nothing useful that I didn't already know. Nothing positive anyway.

 

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​​​​​​ That's a decent point. The Spirit group is worried about the JetBlue group selling out items on the JCBA but our union is already scoring Ws for us behind the scenes. Our newest LOA significantly closed the gap between us and the legacies, and somewhat widened the gap (at least in pay) between B6 and NK. I am not aware of any related heavy lifting going on at NK, but I don't keep up with all the news. Have I missed any developments on the NK side of the table or?
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I would say increased the gap with NK in pay, retirement and profit sharing. The combined company WILL be profitable someday, and the language is now in place to be paid ON TOP of our regular pay, benefits, retirement and QOL.
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The thing most people have on their minds, but don’t talk about it at NK. That said, the LOA y’all scored is huge and cleared up some doubts, at least it did for me.

I don’t expect any gains because our management is coasting. They’re totally checked out and just allowing the airline to survive until the merger is approved. It’s unfortunate, but it’s our current reality

 

And that’s the truth. Ted and Gang have zero incentive to make a profit and attrition isn’t an issue now that we hire CFIs and we have planes being grounded. Sadly our best opportunity at any “gains” prior to a merger approval will be a VIL LOA like JBLU.

What’s interesting, and nobody talks about, is NK could be back into section 6 negotiations as early as years end and I do believe the NK MEC needs to be getting ready for that as well. The assumption it’s going to be a JCBA isn’t guaranteed, not by a long shot.

 

The governments biggest argument is based on a selection of routes cherry picked from q3 2021 to q1 2022. The government will attempt to define a market, to argue a section 7 violation (almost the entirety of the basis for the case), through the selection of 51 routes Spirit and JetBlue compete directly on, of which 6 don’t even exist anymore.

The government has attempted to block previous mergers, United and Continental specifically, on the same basis but were shot down as you need to look at the market (read airline route structure) in its entirety and can’t focus on just one specific snapshot of the entire route structure. It’s also been argued that air lines are ever changing in nature and cannot be so narrowly defined into a specific market as they are constantly in motion and always changing. Therefore, it’s hard to argue a section 7 violation due to the nature of an airline being in constant change and adapting its flying to market changes over time.

I think it’s going to be a nail biter, but I wouldn’t call it a long shot. I really think the government case is extremely weak and this has a better chance of passing than we all may have been lead to believe by Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...s-corporation/