DTZ period is where I fall on my sword. Not plus 1, 10, or 20. It can be life changing. Have toddlers that don't get red eyes mean mommy or daddy can't be disturbed? Want to commute to Medellin for the low cost real estate and expensive wife? Elderly parents ill? Have a side gig? Planning that life dream vacation? Ethical problem calling out sick for that real estate closing? The examples are too numerous to list.

It can subtly change your work life balance. It's like trying to explain freedom to a hostage that believes their captors BS, while their captors give themselves million dollar bonuses. Imagine doing what you love, you're good at it, and that is because it's on your terms. Not the changing whims of the market and the greed of wannabe little tyrants.

Listen to us and go with us on this. You will be astonished. I've never met a JB pilot I couldn't enjoy a trip with. We are cut from the same cloth. This is what we bring to the table. Stand strong with us, not with the profiteering manipulator on the other side of the table. Take what we offer for your family if not yourself.

 

This is the way.

 

If we lose DTZ, im not just leaving the new airline, Im leaving the industry.

 

To add to what Hugh said, DTZ *is* industry standard... It's just the other guys can't use it most of the time because their reserve coverage isn't adequate. Our grid language is what makes it possible by requiring the company to adequately staff the airline.

I'll probably quit too if we lose DTZ or the grid rules.

 

You hit the nail on the head. They'll go after this first. The easiest target may be Section 25.K, Required daily minimum reserve coverage, but I'm far from an expert. Here's some language I would go after if I was them. Anyone care to share the JB language we are working with? I might have to cancel my DTZ or Send it Back lanyard order to 25% and DTZ. I don't understand what I don't know so anyone that can expand on this please speak up.

If the number of red days in a bid month
exceeds 25 percent in any one category/ domicile, the
Company will decrease the minimum required reserve
coverage threshold to allow for the approval of a greater
number of net credit loss transactions.

Hope I'm not violating TOS or negotiating protocol putting this out here. Whatever opinions some have regarding the NC, we can't work to subvert them.

 

I think y'all believe that us B6 pilots on here don't understand how DTZ works and it's impact(after you all explained it a million times already) just because we don't talk as strong about DTZ. Not because we don't get all emotional and aggressive towards DTZ doesn't mean we don't understand the formula. Everyone has their own priority and while we will shoot for the best of both CBA and then some, don't expect everyone to show as much emotion to the same stuff you do even when we support the DTZ idea. Some of our own B6 peeps don't even show as much enthusiasm to profit sharing as others. That's how the cookie crumbles.

You(or a pilot who's big on QOL) won't show as much enthusiasm as some B6 folks for profit sharing although you would probably stand for it. That's just how it is.

Your last paragraph sounded like I said "I don't want DTZ over PS". Where's that coming from? Did I mention at any point that I want to compromise on this JCBA? How about this, go with us B6 folks on Profit Sharing, do it for your family if not for yourself.

Let me tell you where I stand.

I Want Everything And The Kitchen Sink.

 

Nah, I put my opinion out there as much for the huge mass of new guys we have that have never worked under a contract of any sort as JB guys unfamiliar. Obviously, you don't need an education from the likes of me.

 

Just check my history here. Of all the recent voting of LOAs, extensions etc, I haven't seen an agreement here at JB that I'd vote yes to yet. I'm not easily rolled by those corporate profiteering manipulators as you accurately referenced. So the JCBA better be solid.

 

Count me standing next to you guys on profit sharing as well. You'll find no shortage of guys at NK with you all in on that. 26% I think it was several contracts ago. I've been here most my adult life so I really don't have a reference other than DAL is posted here at 16.6%. Not even familiar with the language of how it's paid other than Investopedia, which makes it a no brainer.

 

United just changed their profit sharing to a similar formula to Delta pilots which has been the gold standard for profit sharing. I think there will be narrowbody CA collecting $70k checks in February