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Old 01-18-2024 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
1. ALL but 8, yes only EIGHT, or those routes have zero barriers of entry. Any other airline can come in and provide completion if they feel it’s profitable. Only 8 of those routes are slot controlled or have gate constraints.
That's discussed in the ruling. The barriers of entry weren't the main problem, the main issue was that no other competitor is big enough that they could grow into those overlapping routes. He used some pretty absurd %ages in there and strict timelines when this would have to happen for it not to be anti-competitive, Allegiant would have to grow 500+% in 2 years, Frontier 300% and so on.
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Old 01-19-2024 | 01:13 PM
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Jetblue filed a notice of appeal in the Massachusetts Federal Court. Let's see what happens. Sounded like they did it to satisfy the agreement with Spirit though, based on how it's read.
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Old 01-19-2024 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
Jetblue filed a notice of appeal in the Massachusetts Federal Court. Let's see what happens. Sounded like they did it to satisfy the agreement with Spirit though, based on how it's read.

yea that is the least enthusiastic email I think I’ve ever seen. JB is clearly looking for an off ramp.
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Old 01-19-2024 | 08:09 PM
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yea that is the least enthusiastic email I think I’ve ever seen. JB is clearly looking for an off ramp.
I agree



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Old 01-19-2024 | 09:14 PM
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Jetblue filed a notice of appeal in the Massachusetts Federal Court. Let's see what happens. Sounded like they did it to satisfy the agreement with Spirit though, based on how it's read.
not getting over turned
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Old 01-20-2024 | 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
not getting over turned

if spirit files bankruptcy it could certainly be overturned and the process could be expedited.
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Old 01-20-2024 | 05:21 AM
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if spirit files bankruptcy it could certainly be overturned and the process could be expedited.
Let’s assume NK files BK tomorrow. Is that even admissible for this appeal case since the whole thing is based on the snapshot of July 2022?
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Old 01-20-2024 | 05:25 AM
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Let’s assume NK files BK tomorrow. Is that even admissible for this appeal case since the whole thing is based on the snapshot of July 2022?

yes, my wife specializes in appeals. The court will consider the circumstances to expedite and will even consider the application of the law because things have changed. If the deal doesn’t go through and the company fails, business model means nothing.
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Old 01-20-2024 | 05:37 AM
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yes, my wife specializes in appeals. The court will consider the circumstances to expedite and will even consider the application of the law because things have changed. If the deal doesn’t go through and the company fails, business model means nothing.
Good info, thanks. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that. What does your wife think of the chances of winning an appeal at the next level (I forget what it’s called, the one before the Supreme Court) or will this have to go all the way to the Supreme Court? And how long those processes would take? The July 24, 2024 outside date isn’t very far away.
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Old 01-20-2024 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Good info, thanks. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that. What does your wife think of the chances of winning an appeal at the next level (I forget what it’s called, the one before the Supreme Court) or will this have to go all the way to the Supreme Court? And how long those processes would take? The July 24, 2024 outside date isn’t very far away.
she says if the ruling caused undue harm than it could go quick. Outcome is anybody’s guess. But if NK goes to chapter 11, things will move. I’m hoping the renegotiate the deal, but with a bankruptcy it now starts to look like other mergers.

the supremes would have to decide to take it so she thinks it will live or die in court of appeals .
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