Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3743684)

Cool story. Why did you vote in a contract that doesn’t have a market rate adjustment to top Airbus pay, and instead, an average of many airlines? Why did you vote in a contract that has 1 market rate adjustment in the post ratification era for the Legacy contracts (2024) and not the years after when the legacy contracts continue to increase?

Practice what your preach, troll.

Your contract is slightly higher than ours and because of pattern bargaining, you guys will get a 2024 1 time market rate bump, congrats on that. But calling NK pilots “bottom feeders” who are the lowest paid Airbus pilots in the industry is ridiculously inaccurate.

But thanks for the advice, Dad. Can’t wait for you to sling my gear in a shiny blue airplane down the road.

Originally Posted by Tornado875 (Post 3743768)

There it is. It only took 6 posts on this thread for someone to be arguing against a leading contract. Sigh.....

Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 (Post 3743755)

Hate to say it, but if you want Legacy Airline pay, then go work at a Legacy Airline.

Spirit is a low cost airline, and the pilots are paid accordignly. It is like a guy flying a BE1900 at Ameriflight expecting to make UPS 747 Captain pay. The single pilot BE1900 is probably a little more demanding and works more hours, but the UPS 747 Captain makes 6x the money (or more).

Different jobs, different pay.

Go to a Legacy Airline if you want Legacy Airline pay.

Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3743784)

Someone who apparently doesn't even work for NK (or B6)

Carry on

Originally Posted by demonrat (Post 3743841)

There's enough dumbasses here for everybody. Don't worry.

I'm quite the dumbass myself.

Originally Posted by Tornado875 (Post 3743846)

I like to think that the real dumbasses were the dumbasses we made along the way.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3743747)

Read what I said, their initial contract rates were slightly better than ours, but because, and only because, other airlines got bumps, they got a bump. It’s a “me too” clause. Great to have, we don’t have it. But I won’t be lectured by someone telling me I need to do more, to get the same as a JBLU and a DAL pilot when he himself doesn’t get paid DAL rates and the only reason JBLU top is more than $15 more than us on the top is BECAUSE of the heavy lifting done by legacy airlines.

Please tell me you see the hypocrisy.

Also, their CEO at least has said on record that pilot pay will need to standardize across the industry. It’s A LOT easier to score a “me too” in the contract when the CEO agrees that his pilots need to make legacy comparable rates.

Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3743899)

Yeah without Robin saying that, there’s no snap-up language….thank you Robin. The stuff I read on APC sometimes. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3743906)

This is a bit off base

He said that it's easier to make such contractual gains when the CEO acknowledges that pay needs to be competive in order to retain pilots.

It worked out a lot better than Ted's approach of telling pilots to quit and go to work for the legacies.