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02-29-2024 | 03:34 AM
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VILs are for somewhat temporary staffing issues. They only happened during Covid bc SWA lead the charge and everyone followed suit. Things happened so fast managements had to make a choice with the unknown.
Our issue is longer term. The planes parked peak at the end of the year but it’s not over. This is a multi year problem. Further and more importantly, Spirit doesn’t make money and the leadership has no vision to figure out how to make money other than wait for the ULCC market to improve which may never happen. So, they go to the only thing they know which is cut headcount. Our CBA has language for furloughs so they can and will do it if they need to.
The CBA does not allow them to cut pay or work rules so after they scare everyone with furloughs and apply cuts to the non union groups they will start their propaganda machine to pit everyone against us. If only the rich pilots would cut their pay the company will be saved. This will sew discord among the rank and file. Yet, they know that there never has been a time in history where pilot paycuts ever kept a company out of bankruptcy or saved any airline that was destined for it or to fail all together. Won’t change a thing. Never mind that when an airline shrinks we will all see substantial W2 earnings decreases anyway even without cuts. They won’t mention that part.
History tells the story and this management doesn’t have any new chapters to write so they will just do what they’ve seen and done before. This is familiar territory for them. They should give all the furloughs the “it’s not you, it’s me” speech.
Our issue is longer term. The planes parked peak at the end of the year but it’s not over. This is a multi year problem. Further and more importantly, Spirit doesn’t make money and the leadership has no vision to figure out how to make money other than wait for the ULCC market to improve which may never happen. So, they go to the only thing they know which is cut headcount. Our CBA has language for furloughs so they can and will do it if they need to.
The CBA does not allow them to cut pay or work rules so after they scare everyone with furloughs and apply cuts to the non union groups they will start their propaganda machine to pit everyone against us. If only the rich pilots would cut their pay the company will be saved. This will sew discord among the rank and file. Yet, they know that there never has been a time in history where pilot paycuts ever kept a company out of bankruptcy or saved any airline that was destined for it or to fail all together. Won’t change a thing. Never mind that when an airline shrinks we will all see substantial W2 earnings decreases anyway even without cuts. They won’t mention that part.
History tells the story and this management doesn’t have any new chapters to write so they will just do what they’ve seen and done before. This is familiar territory for them. They should give all the furloughs the “it’s not you, it’s me” speech.
i do not believe we are at the end of the world, i also do not believe that we dee furloughs.
02-29-2024 | 05:22 PM
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There were numbers set by the company, but the company can’t furlough under the merger agreement. They’re going to handle it in other ways.
02-29-2024 | 06:46 PM
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02-29-2024 | 07:06 PM
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I actually thought attrition would likely handle the temporary excess without requiring furloughs as the senior FOs and junior CAs jumped ship, but the failure of Boeing to get the MAX 7 & 10 certified has certainly slowed hiring at SWA and Delta, and if UA doesn't cut the rumored deal with Airbus, they may soon cut back hiring as well,so attrition may taper off for awhile - which is perhaps very unfortunate for the junior FOs and the junior CAs that may be most affected. Those FOs who do have 1000 hr of 121 time (most of them) might be able to ride out a downturn as a regional DEC - no shortage of openings there - which would help them through a furlough economically but it'd be a real QOL hit.
02-29-2024 | 08:42 PM
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How about the rumor (via email from the union) that we're going to lose Long Beach and are looking at Downtown LA?
I wrote the hotel committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we stay out of the tent cities and refugee camps of downtown LA and remain somewhere with actual outdoor activities?
I wrote the hotel committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we stay out of the tent cities and refugee camps of downtown LA and remain somewhere with actual outdoor activities?
03-01-2024 | 12:11 AM
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How about the rumor (via email from the union) that we're going to lose Long Beach and are looking at Downtown LA?
I wrote the hotel committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we stay out of the tent cities and refugee camps of downtown LA and remain somewhere with actual outdoor activities?
I wrote the hotel committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we stay out of the tent cities and refugee camps of downtown LA and remain somewhere with actual outdoor activities?
03-01-2024 | 08:21 AM
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How about the rumor (via email from the union) that we're going to lose Long Beach and are looking at Downtown LA?
I wrote the hotel committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we stay out of the tent cities and refugee camps of downtown LA and remain somewhere with actual outdoor activities?
I wrote the hotel committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we stay out of the tent cities and refugee camps of downtown LA and remain somewhere with actual outdoor activities?
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