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Noisecanceller 10-04-2024 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3841915)
“While often used interchangeably, "a piece of stock" is essentially the same as "a piece of the company" - meaning a share of ownership in a company, but it's important to remember that a stock is not a physical part of the company itself, but rather a representation of ownership rights in the company's assets and profits; when you buy a stock, you become a partial owner of the company, not a literal piece of its physical property.”

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stock.asp


https://www.schwab.com/stocks/unders...common%20stock.

A company or any assets is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.

My point is that even if SAVE goes to zero the company has value as a package. Real estate/operating cash/aircraft/order book

CatPilot1 10-04-2024 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3841920)
My point is that even if SAVE goes to zero the company has value as a package. Real estate/operating cash/aircraft/order book

plus trained plug n play employees

Tornado875 10-04-2024 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3841920)
My point is that even if SAVE goes to zero the company has value as a package. Real estate/operating cash/aircraft/order book

I'm not an expert, but if the stock goes to zero isn't it implying that there isn't any difference between spirits assets and its liabilities? If something has 500 million worth of airplanes, but 500 million worth of debt it isn't worth anything right? Again I really am just trying to understand here.

drywhitetoast 10-04-2024 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Tornado875 (Post 3841924)
I'm not an expert, but if the stock goes to zero isn't it implying that there isn't any difference between spirits assets and its liabilities? If something has 500 million worth of airplanes, but 500 million worth of debt it isn't worth anything right? Again I really am just trying to understand here.

You're thinking of book value. Book value is the net value of a firm's assets found on its balance sheet, and it is roughly equal to the total amount all shareholders would get if they liquidated the company. Market value is the company's worth based on the total value of its outstanding shares in the market, which is its market capitalization.

rickair7777 10-04-2024 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3841920)
My point is that even if SAVE goes to zero the company has value as a package. Real estate/operating cash/aircraft/order book

Yes the stock value indicates only...

1. The perceived value of the stock itself as an investment. If the stock is potentially getting wiped out in BK (being unsecured), it could trade near zero. Even if the company still has value to other people (secured creditors, or possibly a buyer arranged through BK proceedings).

2. The risk and hassle a buyer would assume by trying to acquire the company on the open market so as to access the actual value (assets minus debt). Right now the risk (and hassle) would be high, although a purchase could be arranged under the auspices of the BK court. Transactions made, or obligations incurred, AFTER BK is filed cannot be discharged in that proceeding.

EAFF95 10-04-2024 09:25 AM

Book Value of Spirit is around $7.30/share last quarter, FWIW. After this quarters losses that could significantly erode however. The book value was $33/share before covid.

BBpilot 10-04-2024 09:31 AM

I was lucky the first time, don't think I can't get lucky again with the second round of furloughs...

planejoe 10-04-2024 09:55 AM

Wouldn't a judge be instructing to sell assets to pay debtors? I guess all of that can be negotiated, not sure how it works.

putzin 10-04-2024 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3841942)
Wouldn't a judge be instructing to sell assets to pay debtors? I guess all of that can be negotiated, not sure how it works.


https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/...uptcy-isnt-bad

This has some of the answers you’re looking for and why ch11 isn’t necessarily a bad choice.

StoneQOLdCrazy 10-04-2024 10:33 AM

so could someone in theory buy all Spirit stock for say, 150M?

seems like gaining a controlling interest and breaking up/selling off pieces would be quite lucrative at this price.

How much is the HQ building alone worth?


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