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Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 3866344)
Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money.
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3866369)
What? I blocked a little over 400 hours in 2024 at AA on 1st and 2nd year pay and made almost double that. I also flew way less redeyes than I did at Spirit.
For every 1 guy like you that says this, I speak to 3 that don’t share your experience. I don’t work for AA. I’m simply echoing what I’ve been told by people that work there. |
Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 3866344)
Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money.
It doesn’t matter if this is true or not. Ford and Harrison will crawl over your contract and Frontiers. Their review will be the “professional witness” to the judge on the exact cost disadvantage Spirit has to Frontier. Their review will attempt to establish justification to a judge for a specific dollar amount mgmt needs to seek to open the contract for concessions. |
Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3866369)
What? I blocked a little over 400 hours in 2024 at AA on 1st and 2nd year pay and made almost double that. I also flew way less redeyes than I did at Spirit.
It doesn’t necessarily translate to if you want to make 200k a year you’d be off more. |
Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 3866344)
Why would you assume labor concessions would be their ONLY solution to the problem?
I see it as a high probability, there will be some kind of financial relief through modified labor agreements. Spirit pilots may be some of the lowest per hour flown compensated pilots. However, due to some pretty sweet work rules and contractual agreements, the overall burden on the company probably bears some room for helping improve the state of the company. With that being said, I’d imagine there will be hourly rate increases in the near future. And the ability to make equal to or more will be a thing. The change will come in how hard we have to work to obtain the same income. Earning 100k at American Airlines requires more work than earning 100k at Spirit as a pilot. You can however earn far more in the end at American. Even Delta and UAL. They’re going to make people work for their money. |
Spirit’s peer airlines are Breeze, Allegiant, Frontier, Sun Country, and Avelo.
How well are the Spirit pilots paid compared to the above airlines? If above average, look out. You’d be amazed how many concessions pilots are willing to accept when the alternative is no job at all. If you don’t think they’ll threaten you and use that leverage, you’re kidding yourselves. There’s no way to tell if the threat is real, but it has to be taken seriously which means the concessions will happen. If the restructure is anything like the legacies in the mid 2000’s, they’ll be multiple rounds of concessions. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3866533)
Spirit’s peer airlines are Breeze, Allegiant, Frontier, Sun Country, and Avelo.
How well are the Spirit pilots paid compared to the above airlines? If above average, look out. You’d be amazed how many concessions pilots are willing to accept when the alternative is no job at all. If you don’t think they’ll threaten you and use that leverage, you’re kidding yourselves. There’s no way to tell if the threat is real, but it has to be taken seriously which means the concessions will happen. If the restructure is anything like the legacies in the mid 2000’s, they’ll be multiple rounds of concessions. |
Originally Posted by YdidIChosePilot
(Post 3866544)
Spirit should just pack it up then and shut it all down. Almost everyone has a class date or interview right now that is not close to retirement. There is a massive group in the AA pool right now leaving in the next 2 months. Many for United too... Spirit is literally over if they come for concessions. There will be no pilots left. I dont know one person that isnt leaving Spirit now. 2025 is going to be a blood bath. Add concessions in there and i think the company shuts down due to no staffing
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3866533)
Spirit’s peer airlines are Breeze, Allegiant, Frontier, Sun Country, and Avelo.
How well are the Spirit pilots paid compared to the above airlines? If above average, look out. You’d be amazed how many concessions pilots are willing to accept when the alternative is no job at all. If you don’t think they’ll threaten you and use that leverage, you’re kidding yourselves. There’s no way to tell if the threat is real, but it has to be taken seriously which means the concessions will happen. If the restructure is anything like the legacies in the mid 2000’s, they’ll be multiple rounds of concessions. |
Originally Posted by BKbigfish
(Post 3866583)
Why would you post this? Is Ford & Harrison slipping you a little cash on the side to come onto the NK forum to try and manage expectations? This whole “peer group” nonsense needs to go away. It hurts all ALPA pilots in the long run. Kind of shocking to see a fellow pilot actively perpetuating that narrative.
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