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Powderkeg 01-02-2025 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3866750)
But if F9 is in the mix, maybe they hope they can get the JCBA closer to F9's CBA?

Irrelevant.

If F9 and NK merge the new company needs the JCBA more than the pilots. There isn't a single F9 pilot I know that would agree to calling past-due contracts at places like Allegiant and Sun Country as our peer groups. Any concessions given away by NK won't be agreed to by the F9 group working under a 6+ year old CBA for a company that claims they are making (about to make) double digit margins.

Born2FlyAv8R 01-02-2025 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by hifive (Post 3866857)
The airline is dead. Those who cant see that are just naive

welcome to the show - where have ya been the whole time?

SSlow 01-03-2025 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R (Post 3866980)
welcome to the show - where have ya been the whole time?

Probably busy giving out free "hifives"

PilotJ3 01-03-2025 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3866621)
He's a hat wearer. They just can't help themselves but to come to all the non triangle forums and talk down to everyone. It's sad really. Then they wonder why they have the reputation they do.

But is his point wrong? We all know what happens in BK. Didn’t NK CEO said that there was not going to be more furlough? Then there was another round of furlough?

Management will do what management do best…lie, manage expectations and eventually hanging everyone dry while they go out and use their golden parachute.

rickair7777 01-03-2025 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Powderkeg (Post 3866954)
Irrelevant.

If F9 and NK merge the new company needs the JCBA more than the pilots. There isn't a single F9 pilot I know that would agree to calling past-due contracts at places like Allegiant and Sun Country as our peer groups. Any concessions given away by NK won't be agreed to by the F9 group working under a 6+ year old CBA for a company that claims they are making (about to make) double digit margins.

Makes sense to me, and I hope that's how it would go down. If recent trends indicate anything, pilots should prevail by standing strong.

But I'm talking about mgt trying to lower the entry argument going into JCBA, by slashing the NK CBA, just to give you all a steeper hill to climb.

This could be significant: does either NK or F9 have an arbitration clause for JCBA? It would be in the scope language.

But all speculation aside, I too think it would be a bad idea for management to go after the CBA... retirements don't lie, the legacies will be hiring and massice retention/recruiting challenges won't help their restructure plans. I'm only even talking about it because Solo Han entered the chat. But they might be there for other work groups, who are mostly just commodites in the general job market with forklift drivers, Denny's waitresses, fast food techs, etc.

hifive 01-03-2025 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R (Post 3866980)
welcome to the show - where have ya been the whole time?

Let me guess, you're one of those heros "Going down with the ship" Can't wait to see how that works out for you.

CatPilot1 01-03-2025 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by hifive (Post 3867072)
Let me guess, you're one of those heros "Going down with the ship" Can't wait to see how that works out for you.

Gettin’ a bit nervous are you?

hifive 01-03-2025 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by CatPilot1 (Post 3867076)
Gettin’ a bit nervous are you?

You were probably one of those guys who bought $200,000 in shares and said "I didn't think the merger was going to go through anyway" I wish you all the very best of luck. Looks like you'll need it.

CatPilot1 01-03-2025 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by hifive (Post 3867077)
You were probably one of those guys who bought $200,000 in shares and said "I didn't think the merger was going to go through anyway" I wish you all the very best of luck. Looks like you'll need it.

It’ll all work itself out for you in the end. Nervousness causes stress, which leads to a lack of sleep; resulting in an untimely death. Nobody wants that for you.

hifive 01-03-2025 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by CatPilot1 (Post 3867094)
It’ll all work itself out for you in the end. Nervousness causes stress, which leads to a lack of sleep; resulting in an untimely death. Nobody wants that for you.

Hitting a nerve? Read the first post. It mentions the word Niave which was in no way pointed at you. It'll be great when to have the last laugh. Oh wait, I was just nervous. dont mind me. You're going to be fine and I'll be dead.


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