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Originally Posted by WhyIFly
(Post 3867617)
A career at Spirit will never even come close to matching a career at a legacy airline. I am glad, though, that there are some that are "too lazy to send out (their) stuff right now". There needs to be someone left at Spirit to turn the lights off when it is all said and done.
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
(Post 3867625)
Show your work. If your are at the top of the list and the top of the scale living in base doing the exact trips you want to do, show me where starting over at the bottom makes your life the same or better?
Do you make up the money lost by starting over? Maybe depends on many variables but age would be the biggest. Do you ever get your schedule back? Most likely not unless you are quite young. And if you do how many years of garbage schedule must you endure to get it back? What is the family dynamic (kids ages) while you and they suffer through your new **** schedule reality? Remember if you want to try and recoup the money loss quicker then the schedule will take a hit for longer. Aint nobody trying to do 3+ day trips ever again let alone 5 day trips. Now if spirit is out of business this is all moot. And of course if you were starting your career today yes a career at a legacy would most likely be better than one at spirit That number changes to 11 years with a 6 year upgrade and 13 years with an 8 year upgrade. All numbers assume current NK Captain, guarantee pay, assume that NK pay rates do not go down, and no profit sharing is included. |
Originally Posted by Macjet
(Post 3867751)
If you have 8 or more years left then you will make more money at DL/AA/UA than you will by staying at NK assuming an upgrade at year 4.
That number changes to 11 years with a 6 year upgrade and 13 years with an 8 year upgrade. All numbers assume current NK Captain, guarantee pay, assume that NK pay rates do not go down, and no profit sharing is included. |
Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 3867812)
scheudules and vacations are the bigger issue for many.
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Originally Posted by fw90
(Post 3867824)
what schedules? I know guys at legacies under a year that have better schedules than 3 year NK FO’s and we aren’t even to Feb yet.
Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off |
Originally Posted by hercretired
(Post 3867830)
there indeed is a misconception in ULCC-land that "Big-3 FO's" have a crappy QOL and crappy schedules
Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off Hired at a legacy TODAY will probably not result in the same level of ability to control one’s schedule as someone hired 2-3 years ago. The hiring and growth in 2022-2023 was incredible. So there’s a bit of that to contend with. |
Originally Posted by hercretired
(Post 3867710)
Investors, especially hedge funds, sink millions into things because they thing they can 3x, 5x, 10x their investment.
If they loose their money, they say "that sucked" and go to Aspen for the weekend to "decompress" My pants are loose since I started ozempic. |
Originally Posted by hercretired
(Post 3867830)
there indeed is a misconception in ULCC-land that "Big-3 FO's" have a crappy QOL and crappy schedules
Most 2 to 3 year FO's I know at Big-3 are getting what they want off (indeed, possibly by working reserve that month on purpose...but) to include Christmas and Thanksgiving off just something to think about. We all should have left in 2021. I left at the tail end of this hiring boom and it cos me 6,000#s at least and could have held CA within 6 months and now who knows how long and when / if I hold it, I’ll be Junior for a long time. |
Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 3867876)
yeah but the Goal is to be a Captain, not a career F/O.
Career WB FO's are common enough.
Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 3867876)
just something to think about. We all should have left in 2021. I left at the tail end of this hiring boom and it cos me 6,000#s at least and could have held CA within 6 months and now who knows how long and when / if I hold it, I’ll be Junior for a long time.
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Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 3867684)
do you get weekends and holidays off? What vacations are you holding?
As for vacation? I don’t know. Every base and fleet bids differently. One base/fleet might have more options or weeks available than others etc. no idea. I’ve only bid once. I bid the week I needed in December for a cruise I had already had planned and got that. I randomly was awarded Feb for my 2nd week as I didn’t care what happened after that. Our next years annual vacation bid opens soon. My awarded schedule for Jan is 19 days off. This is NB Airbus. I’m not a WB FO. I’m roughly 50% total in base. I fly three 4 days this month. |
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