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Originally Posted by SSlow
(Post 3867979)
I'm not knocking the legacies, but a lot of what you describe primarily applies to the multi-day trips at NK.
Doing mostly day turns you won't deal with nearly as many headaches. It's pretty much show up, fly two legs and walk back to the car after setting the parking brake. Most of the time I don't even see the FAs working in the back. Occasionaly I may time out and get stuck, but honestly that is mabye once a year for me. Overall I am much more healthy being home most nights: eating real food at home, working out in my local gym, going for a run on the beach, sleeping in my own bed, etc... I am no stranger to the 4 day trip life, and I don't miss the hotels and garbage airport food. It's just not for me and I get sick more often living that kind of lifestyle. WB flying did interest me at some point, but knowing what that kind of flying does to the body I think I would pass if it were an option. It doesn't look cool and sexy on IG, but non-redeye NB out and backs are about the healthiest kind of flying one can do. However if all one cares about is running up the W2 every year, then the legacies are the way to go. No question about it. Obviously if NK ceases to exist then none of this matters. EDIT: Please don't rebut this with the outlier 27.5 year CA who lives in base at xzy legacy and who just started doing day turns toward the end of his/her career. I realize this is possible but I am discussing the kind of flying that one does for the bulk of their career in a tax friendly red state. As far as destinations, IG, health concerns. That's all very individual. Personally, I prefer domestic layovers. But as I'm looking at flying a schedule and going home (and/or res and never going to work) while maximizing time:$:work, WB is the perfect fit in my case. |
Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 3867909)
It’s so painful (I mean not really but you know what I mean) being an F/O to these mid twenty something CAs who have been in the industry for 3 years but hopefully Im not stuck in this seat against my will for long….
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
(Post 3867965)
AA still looking at roughly 1k a year for a few years and then it trails off into the 5-700 range for a few more years before things fall off dramatically.
Even if the losses are from WB CAs they ripple down quickly into the NB ranks. Where NK was retiring 25-50 people a year from a pilot group of 3000 United is retiring 600-700 a year from 16,000, but almost all of that 700 a year ripples down into the NB CADRE which is maybe 7000 - 8000 pilots, only a little more than twice the NB pilots NK had before the current unpleasantness. Not even counting growth, the effective NB seniority to CA at UA increases vastly quicker than at NK and so does NB seniority at CA, since you continue to lose CAs to fill WB retirement vacancies. It's a whole different ball game in seniority progression in the NB. So maybe you are too old to ever get to WB CA, you can still get to NB CA a lot faster and gain seniority as a NB CA faster. Pretty much the same for the other big three legacies. Not to mention that a number of people senior to you will find their niche at WB FO, where they will stay until they retire or are senior enough to make WB CA, and never compete for NB CA at all. It's really a sort of fascinating queuing theory example. |
Email today from crew plan: some downgrades will be cancelled. Exact number TBA Wednesday morning. Selection due and results posted by Friday. Hopefully there will be enough for mine to be cancelled.
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
(Post 3868016)
Email today from crew plan: some downgrades will be cancelled. Exact number TBA Wednesday morning. Selection due and results posted by Friday. Hopefully there will be enough for mine to be cancelled.
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 3868024)
glad to hear it. Seriously, you guys need some good news….
Understatement right here. 3 years of limbo and nothing much positive to chew on. Something’s gotta give soon. Gotta be a record or something. |
Originally Posted by BusBoi
(Post 3868016)
Email today from crew plan: some downgrades will be cancelled. Exact number TBA Wednesday morning. Selection due and results posted by Friday. Hopefully there will be enough for mine to be cancelled.
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i have not seen any such email? Alas I am only a line pilot
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
(Post 3867384)
It’s called hope dude. Not everyone can go anywhere. Some people have all the qualifications, skills and professionalism in the world, yet will never be selected for screening by a legacy carrier.
If things are so bleak with the future of NK, why would the system waste its time on a restructure, when liquidation is imminent? |
Originally Posted by Skyehog
(Post 3868112)
i have not seen any such email? Alas I am only a line pilot
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