Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3869842)

I don’t think anyone is disputing that you can have great QOL at a legacy and probably better than Spirit. It takes seniority just like anywhere. If you are at the top of Spirit, older than 40, and a CA you will never attain that QOL and earnings ever again. With some time you can have one but not both. The amount of time it will take to get one back is anyone’s guess. There are major family sacrifices to be made in that case that can alter one’s entire life.

If Spirit goes under the point is moot. Those sacrifices MUST be made. If there is even a small percentage of a chance Spriit survives, the choice whether or not to toss it all, and try to attain some semblance of what you had over what may not be an insignificant period of time, becomes much more difficult. So saying just go to a legacy and it will be better doesn’t always hold water. I just will not go back to working 4+ day trips over the weekends for a ton less money unless I absolutely have to. Write me a LOR when the time comes please.

Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3869957)

Let me assure you that QOL as a lineholder at a Legacy, especially AA, is not as good as one at Spirit. Schedule flexibility is not even close. You have to be super senior and forgo upgrade for years if you want to maintain what you have at Spirit, Lot of misinformation in this thread based off of "one off" experiences that happened for maybe a month here and there due to overstaffing and blank lines. Will not be the norm as the pilot group right sizes.

Originally Posted by MtoL (Post 3869763)

My airline has former NK guys. All great guys. The one thing I’ve constantly heard is that they were surprised at how good the QOL is. For sure, it’s not as good as the contract at NK, but it’s not as bad as they thought it’d be.

My goal in posting here is not to kick the NK pilots while they’re down. It’s to let the ones on the fence know that they may be working with some inaccurate information.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3869842)

I don’t think anyone is disputing that you can have great QOL at a legacy and probably better than Spirit. It takes seniority just like anywhere. If you are at the top of Spirit, older than 40, and a CA you will never attain that QOL and earnings ever again. With some time you can have one but not both. The amount of time it will take to get one back is anyone’s guess. There are major family sacrifices to be made in that case that can alter one’s entire life.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3869963)

In this vein, I'll second the notion... for some of us who may have some lingering PTSD from the regionals, etc the QOL at any legacy is generally pretty good, even when junior. May take a while to catch up to single digit in base QOL, but it should get pretty close eventually. Plus money... that buys QOL, either now or later your choice (bid down now for time off, or work hard and FIRE).

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3869969)

Another consideration. Year 1 legacy giving up 4 or 5 vacations. Year 2 give up 2 or 3. Year three another 2 or 3 ect…. Never making those days off up for a career. Not to mention none of the legacies were able to get to 5 credit per day.

Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 3869971)

You may need to read up on the current Legacy contracts........

Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3869957)

Let me assure you that QOL as a lineholder at a Legacy, especially AA, is not as good as one at Spirit. Schedule flexibility is not even close. You have to be super senior and forgo upgrade for years if you want to maintain what you have at Spirit, Lot of misinformation in this thread based off of "one off" experiences that happened for maybe a month here and there due to overstaffing and blank lines. Will not be the norm as the pilot group right sizes.

Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3869996)

Not incorrect but (as you know) AA guys with 2-ish+ years on are getting 3 day lines then dropping and trip trading on TTS and "rebuilding" their schedules with mostly weekdays worked and mostly weekends off. Indeed this may require a 4-Day from Mon to Thur. 1 and 2 day trips still super senior

Reservists with 2+ years are in top 25% of reserve seniority in most months and basically can get anyday they want off.

Yes, there are 4000 seniority Captains that "forget to bid" or "I don't understand that PBS stuff" and will b1tch and groan the entire trip about how AA sucks

Pilots will be pilots

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3869941)

Im at 14 yr guy and yes it was the hardest decision in my career. Love it here at NK, Great coworkers and don't want to leave but as I mention before, been through this once with Ted mirroring his game. I have made peace with everything. The possibilities of concessions , uncertainties, Incompetance management, Alpa leadership and other negative futures outlook, I just dont have it anymore for the upcoming fight. Tired of chasing conracts and everything tied up to ch11 and managments game. Im early 40's so its now or never. I know im going to get some slack from the Nk cheerleaders. Im ready for the new chapter and I hope my situation help those who are on the same boat. I truly wish everyone at NK the best of luck.