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Originally Posted by fw90
(Post 3869410)
day trips suck so bad that most go super senior to commuters who buy hotels in base…. Taking them from those who want the home every night QOL.
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I often bid by the number of alarm clocks I'd have to set every month. "Oh...but you can hold the 8 hr turns." Great....0500 alarm clocks. I'd rather fly the 2 day trips....day 1 - no alarm clock, golf, lunch, go to work, no alarm clock on the layover, home for a late dinner on day 2. "But that's 2 days for only 11.5 hrs. A turn would get you 8 hrs. So 8x 11.5 hr trips (zero alarm clocks, can't golf (or whatever) 8 days a month. Turns? 11 wakeups and miss 11 days of golf. Everyone's math is different. If I wanted more full days off I'd grab some turns.
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor
(Post 3869463)
Super-senior commuters are spending coin on hotels to fly day trips (still gone from home) vs flying multi-day trips? What am I missing here?
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3869472)
Sometimes they can back to back the trips. I'd put 3 turns together and make a 23+ hr 3 day trip. Cost was 2-3 hotels. So they're trading some $$$ to build large blocks of time off or fewer commutes. Back to back 4 trips and you can have a 3 commute/12 day month, plus leading and trailing commutes(??), and a 85-95 hr month.
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Three 6 hour turns with the 8% beats most of the three days I glance at. It comes at a cost. I live close.
I live in a less than desirable zip code, but the little dump is paid for. Ever since 9/11 I've lived as though we'll be out of business tomorrow. Some poor sap was dumb enough to ask me for career advice last year. I know it's a tired meme, but yeah, young new FO in clean pants, and a dry-cleaned shirt. The only advice I could give him was, "How many Pastrami sandwiches are you not gonna be able to buy in ten years because you're too fancy pancy for the employee bus?" That $15 bucks added up quicker than he thought, I bet. So the bus takes more time and it sucks @ss? I only ride it with other super senior pilots, which says something. They know the game's rigged for the house, and right now Ted lives in it. That being said, who knows, he may WB FO making more and happier now (which I truly hope) somewhere else, or trying to figure out why Home Depot isn't impressed with his Aero Sci Degree and 900 hours jet time. Some actual, got shot at with real bullet's, Vietnam Vet also told me "Never turn down any free education", so at least the guy got a nice popular type on his ticket. I got more old man stuff too, like "How do you know my pants are dry-clean only? Cause they're always dirty." Uh Oh, it's getting on bedtime because Wheel of Fortune's almost on, and I'm here throwing out Pearls for free. Take my advice on this you studly muffins. Go Rogaine early. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3869472)
Sometimes they can back to back the trips. I'd put 3 turns together and make a 23+ hr 3 day trip. Cost was 2-3 hotels. So they're trading some $$$ to build large blocks of time off or fewer commutes. Back to back 4 trips and you can have a 3 commute/12 day month, plus leading and trailing commutes(??), and a 85-95 hr month.
A day of work is $2500 as a top f9 captain. If I have an extra 2 days off with turns that’s 5k. I’ll go ahead and spend the $500 for a nice own room pad and take the extra two days off or 5k. My discretion. I’ve found that’s the most efficient way to maximize $ and time off in my current situation. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3869472)
Sometimes they can back to back the trips. I'd put 3 turns together and make a 23+ hr 3 day trip. Cost was 2-3 hotels. So they're trading some $$$ to build large blocks of time off or fewer commutes. Back to back 4 trips and you can have a 3 commute/12 day month, plus leading and trailing commutes(??), and a 85-95 hr month.
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Originally Posted by LinaPeru
(Post 3869358)
you’re leaving out some details here. Strictly NB to NB not WB.
You’re not getting 20-23 days off on a NB doing 4 day trips. Especially if youre Jr and/or on the captain side. It’s going to be usually 14-16 days of work. Those four day trips have coast to coast redeyes built into them. with schedules that flip flop on you. theyre not always commutable on one or both ends. They’re harder to swap out of them. Especially if you’re JR. You’re stuck with the same A-hole for 4 days. There’s plenty of 3 hour airport appreciation sits. Aircraft swaps in the hubs, with multi leg days. 10-14 hr overnights just enough time to sh#t, shower, eat, and sleep. You know there’s only so much jerking off, watching TV, and eating hotel food you can do. There’s usually a Decently long enough van ride, and if it’s not a super long van ride it’s in a hotel right by the airport without a ton to do. Or, you just don’t have enough time to do anything that’s why you’re there. A solid walk through a terminal. Demanding earlier van times. Or traffic demanding (ie. NYC.) you gotta pack 3-4 days of food unless you wanna spend money only to become a fatso. hotel gyms usually suck. the woman at home is b$tching you’re never there, and how kids don’t remember you because you’ve been doing this for 20 years. But hey, maybe that’s the real reason you prefer 4 days….. I don’t disagree that 1 vs 4 days are better or worse. But, over a 30-40 year career you’ll see the ups and downs of both. |
Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 3869461)
no idea where you work but I was like 99% in base and was able to manipulate my schedule to get Christmas & NYE off. One thing I’m learning really quickly is when you work for a 17,000+ pilot airline, everyone wants different things and with that much flying, there is an incredible amount of variety. 2 leg 2-days to the Caribbean or Steamboat Springs, or Orange county (these are all sitting in OT) Day trips, commutable 3&4 days, red eyes, etc. (I also could of had a line my second month out of training ). The point is, there is a lot of flexibility when it comes to flying and the layovers are actually enjoyable. Great hotels, nice destinations and longer overnights than I’m used to. My *** is definitely flying more than I did at NK but there are a lot of ways to make it work with your home life.
I say this not to be an obnoxious jagoff but to shed some light for some guys and girls who are thinking of making the Jump and are apprehensive. The transition has been way less miserable than I thought (minus the pay, the pay hit is absolutely brutal, lol) . lastly, for the Jersey locals. There are more day trips and 2 days in OT BY FARRRR than 3&4 day trips. Not sure if historically its always been like that at UAL I have yet to find someone hired in the last couple of years trading from 4, 4 days into all day trips/2 day trips. sure you can pick up day trips but to be able to have it as a set monthly schedule is just not a true statement. I don't want to do turns out of JFK or EWR and commute in. I would love to see somone prove me wrong in bases like ATL 320 @DL or AA 320 in PHX. like c'mon bro you know that's not true. last point, what people are getting now will be different then 1.5 years from now. Getting hired at UA in 2022 is vastly different then somone getting hired in 2025. Just because YOU can hold it, does not mean somone getting hired today will have the same trojectory. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3869458)
Everything w/b, except for the sleep cycle and foreign TV, is better. W/b FO is the best job going. Some would argue w/b FB is better.
I suppose there's always TRT, but now that the FAA started recently cracking down on it I wouldn't be so quick to roll the dice with my medical. Hard pass. I've done a lot of flying through the WOCL, and I feel like a completely different person when I'm sleeping at night and not fighting mother nature. YMMV on that though. |
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