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rickair7777 01-28-2025 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by colonials13 (Post 3875755)
He's not wrong. We don't need someone representing us who's halfway out the door, especially now.

Tend to agree, but it could be circumstantial... if somebody stays, they should articulate why and their commitment to seeing it through to the last day. Might be useful to train others, etc.

This is an unusual situation... there are people leaving who don't want to leave...

8JRMfortheyear 01-28-2025 07:47 AM

Like that dude that harrassed everyone to vote yes on the TA while exiting to delta . Never forget LOL

Judge Smails 01-28-2025 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3875805)
Like that dude that harrassed everyone to vote yes on the TA while exiting to delta . Never forget LOL

First, he never harassed anyone to vote for the TA. Second, every rep voted yes to the TA, they were all in agreement that this was the best that could be done at the time and they were racing against a clock for an impending JCBA. Third, how would a rep personally benefit from voting yes to a TA that he may have thought was substandard and then leave afterwards? What good would that do?

Judge Smails 01-28-2025 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by colonials13 (Post 3875755)
He's not wrong. We don't need someone representing us who's halfway out the door, especially now.

You do realize that replacing everyone at once would not exactly be ideal either. The reps and volunteers that are leaving have years of experience doing this.

8JRMfortheyear 01-28-2025 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 3875821)
First, he never harassed anyone to vote for the TA. Second, every rep voted yes to the TA, they were all in agreement that this was the best that could be done at the time and they were racing against a clock for an impending JCBA. Third, how would a rep personally benefit from voting yes to a TA that he may have thought was substandard and then leave afterwards? What good would that do?

It is substandard.

Lakeaffect 01-28-2025 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3875846)
It is substandard.

Yes it is. And yet, with the ability of hindsight now, had we turned it down we would be stuck with our old contract rates, which were even worse.

Two things can be true at the same time. It’s substandard AND was the best option to take. (Not a popular opinion)

SoFloFlyer 01-28-2025 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3875908)
Yes it is. And yet, with the ability of hindsight now, had we turned it down we would be stuck with our old contract rates, which were even worse.

Two things can be true at the same time. It’s substandard AND was the best option to take. (Not a popular opinion)

I’ve had many discussions with people about this very thing and CAs thought I was misguided (regardless of which side they leaned on)

Lakeaffect 01-28-2025 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3875943)
I’ve had many discussions with people about this very thing and CAs thought I was misguided (regardless of which side they leaned on)

Just gotta treat them like a spouse who complains about something that has a simple solution in which paradoxically solving the “problem” will create a bigger problem for you.

“Oh, huh, I never thought about it like that, maybe you’re right” is about the only thing you can add that will be acceptable to them.

Judge Smails 01-28-2025 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3875846)
It is substandard.

Yes it is, but that wasn't the point or the question I asked.

SSlow 01-28-2025 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3875908)
Yes it is. And yet, with the ability of hindsight now, had we turned it down we would be stuck with our old contract rates, which were even worse.

Two things can be true at the same time. It’s substandard AND was the best option to take. (Not a popular opinion)

No offense but that cannot be said with any amount of certainty.

Management was in an unprecedented hard spot and our MEC folded too early. It was arguably the best bargaining environment that many of us will see throughout our careers, and we blew our wad way too soon just like Jim in American Pie.


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