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Noisecanceller 07-27-2025 04:44 PM

BTW this is the longest flame thread I’ve ever read. This OP went fishing and found an entire pack of jacks ready to feast on anything he throws in the water.

fw90 07-27-2025 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3932339)
They asked and Spirit said hard pass. Nothing anyone can do about that. They needed to cut staff. They weren’t interested in finding full benefits for a bunch of pilots working part time. And frankly it was the right move. This wasn’t 2008. Many of those pilots are in better positions now anyway.


Why is P&W not paying for the pilots that can’t work? Why didn’t spirit put pressure on them?

right because we can’t hose the former shareholders if we are successful.

why is new spirit not making P&w pay for the pilots for the planes we can’t use? They can’t hose the current shareholders if we were busy and actually acting like an airline.
Iike the joker says, it’s all going according to the plan….

MANTOGASRS 07-27-2025 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by fw90 (Post 3932346)
Why is P&W not paying for the pilots that can’t work? Why didn’t spirit put pressure on them?

right because we can’t hose the former shareholders if we are successful.

why is new spirit not making P&w pay for the pilots for the planes we can’t use? They can’t hose the current shareholders if we were busy and actually acting like an airline.
Iike the joker says, it’s all going according to the plan….


P&W would bankrupt Spirit . Those lawsuits take years . Spirit has neither time or money

3inthegreen 07-27-2025 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3932340)
BTW this is the longest flame thread I’ve ever read. This OP went fishing and found an entire pack of jacks ready to feast on anything he throws in the water.

Haha funny how any time anyone reports bad news at Spirit the cheerleaders instantly scream fake news. Somethings never change.

CatPilot1 07-27-2025 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3932340)
BTW this is the longest flame thread I’ve ever read. This OP went fishing and found an entire pack of jacks ready to feast on anything he throws in the water.

I’ve been enjoying it. The regular retards all fell for it too. Prefect gathering spot for them to dish out life advice. One retard has openly wondered where halon was; he’s at least 3 people in this thread including this threads creator. I’m just surprise SloFlo didn’t show up. I’ve started calling hospitals and jails.

3inthegreen 07-27-2025 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by MANTOGASRS (Post 3932349)
P&W would bankrupt Spirit . Those lawsuits take years . Spirit has neither time or money

Most don’t understand all this money Spirit is getting from Pratt is nothing more than in store credit.

AllOva736 07-27-2025 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH (Post 3932328)
Thanks for that.

Taxes and Union Dues $5,000
House Payment $5,500
Club Sports 3 Kids, $3,500
Food $4,000
Gas and Insurance $3,000 (3 Teenagers)
Alamony 1st Wife $2,000
Utilities and Phones $2,000
Medical and Insurance $1,000 (Braces)

we all have bills and taxes dude, you’re not telling a story we don’t understand. Look at the numbers you posted and tell me you can’t find wasteful spending…

fw90 07-27-2025 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 3932353)
Most don’t understand all this money Spirit is getting from Pratt is nothing more than in store credit.

Exactly. Crummy deal for sure. If we were any other airline they would bend over backwards.

RTX made 1.66 billion Q2. They are not hurting.

8JRMfortheyear 07-27-2025 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3932158)
C and A were fantastic reps. Got me out of an NOI a year before I left for Delta. I read their emails and the things they said in the WhatsApp chats. They weren’t wrong and they ultimately were the reason I finally decided to pull the trigger. So glad I bailed when I did. If I ever run into those dudes or any of the other reps that set the example by leaving, beers on me at the hotel bar.

Agree 💯 , the only dudes that didn’t play FPL a$$ kissing game.

FriendlyPilot 07-27-2025 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by fw90 (Post 3932346)
Why is P&W not paying for the pilots that can’t work?

When Spirit bought the P&W engines they did not come with unlimited warranties. Airlines can purchase different levels of warranty on the engines. The big airlines always purchase almost every type of follow-on insurance they can to mitigate risk.

Spirit chose not to.

You can't pass on optional maintenance packages because you want to save costs and then when the product has problems, blame the manufacturer. P&W gave them a gift by offering them credits toward repairs and inspections in lieu of litigation but those credits cover only a fraction of the costs.


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