Some of you guys really don’t understand how big of a deal integrity is at the legacies and especially at United. People lose jobs over it, they will absolutely give you a TBNT over it. How are they going to trust you with their plane when they can’t trust you to fill out an app. Don’t be that person

Thank you SFF! Someone who gets it!

Yep. Stealing a base - even in baseball - is a good idea only if you don’t get caught. Risk-benefit ratio on this weighs heavily toward risk. United, Delta, and AA will be retiring large numbers for quite awhile. Don’t permanently disqualify yourself in hopes of a three month advantage.

Haha. Ok. Sure

integrity. Because UAL pilots will never call fatigue when they are not fatigued. Because UAL pilots will never bang out sick, when not sick. Because UAL pilots will never take the full reserve call out time even though they can get there earlier. Because UAL pilots would never carry a small write up back to base for go home leg.

If your advice is to wait until you are on the street vs a letter saying you will be on the street, that’s fine. But the high horse preaching about the level of integrity of UAL pilots, sure.

That’s at every airline, not just extra especially at United.

Whaaaaaat?! Everyone knows United Airlines is the bastion of integrity…I heard some people talking about it while I was waiting for my smoothie earlier. One United pilot told me he waited until his family was homeless and hungry before he even applied. What a solid dude.

Just a thought. Email pilot hiring and ask them for clarification. It prevents a misstep and gives you another touch point, highlighting your status.

Best advice yet. They might well give you the OK, if already in receipt of furlough notice. If not, at least you know for sure.

Let me STOP you right there. Wanting and expecting your contract to be adhered to is NOT a lack of integrity.

The company getting upset at pilots who refuse to waive certain contractual entitlements, or being called “that guy” by their peers is inappropriate and intolerable!


I can’t comment on your other claims. But the short call report time language is very very very important. People make Real Estate decisions based on that. Your negotiating committee and the company took months and already mutually agreed on something. If everyone that’s at an airport hotel always says “yes” eventually a culture of contract non compliance develops and becomes de rigueur, and the company makes pilots who actually need it, feel like they are in violation of something.

There's a nuance though... in the current era, reserve call-out times are getting longer, in some cases with language or an understanding of "get there as soon as you can".

If everybody takes it to the contractual max, then something will eventually have to give as the company will act to ensure operational reliability... whether that's hot reserve or shorter call-outs we don't know.

There's such a thing as enlightened self-interest. I won't rush, drive 95mph, etc. I might not even cut my workout short. But if I'm sitting around doing not much, then I'd probably head on in. Especially if it's late, no need to keep the pax, crew, and myself up any later than necessary on the back end.

Something to think about.