Agreed 100%. This is the exact reason AA doesn’t have a short call call out time; get there as promptly and safely as possible. Don’t need pilots speeding down the interstate to make a 3 hour clock that starts when you hang the phone up. I personally won’t keep a crew and passengers waiting longer than needed just to hit an hour and minute goal. I’ll get there when I get there, ready to fly. Too bad UAL still has a timer for you to get there.

And none of this matters to a NK guy looking at furlough. I said “check the box” others say don’t, one had the best idea to just call and ask.

But ol UAL boy had to come on talking about how integrity is a UAL thing more than every other airline. What a joke.

 

That language is not in the CBA where I work.

If it were such an issue than the company wouldn’t have agreed to it.


Agree to disagree.

 

No. The Furlough Coordinator at NK provides a list of names of those actively furloughed to United, who then shares it with the VP of Flight Ops, who in turn sends it to the Pilot Recruiting team. If you have an app in with UA and are on said list, the system will recognize your furlough status and award you additional points on your app which can HELP trigger the Hogan is you’re competitive. Check the box all you want, it doesn’t do a thing unless you are on the list provided to UA.

 

Some of the replies from certain individuals don’t surprise me at all. It’s your career, do as you please, but I know for a fact that people have gotten permanently disqualified for integrity.

I also never said it’s important at UAL MORE than another airline, I said ESPECIALLY at UAL. You love to hate on UAL so much you start spouting out anything because you’re mad. Tap the brakes, man.

One last point. It’s 2.5 hour call out for SC. If they want us there sooner, they offer add pay along with paid short term parking, etc… but we don’t have to accept it. The company doesn’t get bent out of shape because of the contractual language because it’s.. contractual and we all agreed to play by the same rules. I personally don’t mind it. It’s been lucrative at times.To each their own. If you have a problem with it, don’t apply to UAL since you don’t like the contract language. Simple as that.

 

Let's be honest: You're playing with semantics here. AA absolutely has a short call out time. It's not written, but it's technically 3 hours before your trip start time (thanks APA). AA also has a 1 hour report time prior to trip start.

As much as I like your "don't speed down the interstate" argument, and agree, but we know the way trips are given and assigned; based off that 3 hours.

 

Well of course, now that the assignments are automated, there needs to be an actual value for the computer to follow. But if you're not there in three hours, you're not there in three hours. I just did this last month - had a nanny issue and called CS to let them know when I'd be there. No sweat - they updated the departure time accordingly (it was about 4 hours from notification).

I'm not saying you should just roll in at 5 hours every time, but that's always been the case. As rarely as we get called last minute, guys have absolutely been comfortable living 3 hours away, and that's not changing now.

 

lol @ people saying United takes integrity very seriously when they have Kirby as their CEO.

 

Pilot roles obviously and inherently require integrity.

CEO roles, kind of the opposite... assuming they are selected to maximize shareholder value, and the enrichment of key stakeholders (not necessary in that order lol). Many CEO's are actually in fact sociopaths (very high functioning of course).

 

He just pointed out that saying anything that is not technically correct on your application could result in you not getting the call. A former colleague (not NK) was fired during training for questionable behavior. What he told me happened should not have gotten him fired, but I knew him, and I wasn't sure if he told me the whole story.... I don't think the advice to be above reproach from applying (until of probation) suggests UA pilots are better than the others.

 

I can’t tell you what any other airline is like, but I will tell you that the one thing that will get you fired at UAL is lying. Or texting while taxiing on probation, or meowing on guard (or at any time) during OE.