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Old 12-08-2025 | 11:58 AM
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I believe this article provides some insight and clues as to why a merger with Spirit makes sense to Southwest. https://www.eplaneai.com/ru/news/sou...ational-routes
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Old 12-08-2025 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
They're not liquidating they're restructuring to be sold.
Maybe during ZIRP but its just a bad time for that right now in this industry. AS got far less debt and far greater assets with the HA acquisition. On a scale of 1-10 that was a 7 and buying Spirit is a 3 or 4. But you need a 7 or higher to make any sense in this industry right now.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
I believe this article provides some insight and clues as to why a merger with Spirit makes sense to Southwest. https://www.eplaneai.com/ru/news/sou...ational-routes
The "information" in the article is from a Russian website (my browser had to translate it) and its written with AI. Its designed to be "clickbait".

You literally can't point to that as proof of anything. Its all gobbledygook.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
Months ago, people argued that Southwest would never buy Airbus aircraft. Now, based on public statements from Southwest’s CEO, that’s no longer true. Southwest has been reshaping the airline to align itself more closely with what Spirit is trying to do. Spirit, meanwhile, is in the process of uplifting its enterprise value so it can be sold at a premium. The DIP lenders are the equity holders from the first bankruptcy who traded debt for equity. They will recover their DIP financing and are positioning themselves for a premium return on their stock, which has been locked up and unsellable since the first bankruptcy.

I believe they walked away from Frontier’s offer in February because they thought they could get more for the airline later by filing bankruptcy a second time. This process looks choreographed: Spirit’s stakeholders are now positioning themselves to maximize their return on investment.

I have read every single filing, including all the transcripts. You will see the same clause that I found, and maybe you will change your mind. Spirit is divesting assets to gain regulatory approvals, but they are not liquidating. Instead, they are reducing debt by shedding mostly non‑flying and unprofitable aircraft, which directly improves enterprise value. Southwest has future plans that demand more planes, and Spirit solves that problem immediately.

A merger with Southwest in February would not have been possible, but one now is more likely than ever before because of everything that has been done over the last 10 months: debt reduction, fleet restructuring, labor concessions, and asset divestitures. Am I right? Only time will tell. But one thing is clear — Spirit isn’t liquidating.
Looking at buying airbus planes does not equal buying Spirit. Southwest can get a lot of planes quickly from lessors without getting a bunch of planes they will have to carry the costs on while they try and reconfigure them for their fleet. Also they avoid the debt. Also the CEO said recently they would prefer to keep a single fleet type but are "open" to exploring other fleets. What I've heard is they are looking at 787s, which they can't get quickly so then they took a look at used 787s.

Nowhere in his comments does it give any indication they are "buying Spirit".

Also there is no "we are preparing for a merger" or anything like you mention in any filing etc.

I get why you desperately want another stable airline to buy all of Spirit, but I don't see anyone doing that and carrying that much debt and ongoing losses not to mention the added integration costs. Its just far too toxic of a deal.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
American Airlines requests notices in Spirit bankruptcy proceedings.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ame...gs-2025-12-07/
Though it was interesting that the attorney listed for the law firm was Andrew Ross Sorkin author of "Too Big to Fail". (which is an excellent book)
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Old 12-08-2025 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Looking at buying airbus planes does not equal buying Spirit. Southwest can get a lot of planes quickly from lessors without getting a bunch of planes they will have to carry the costs on while they try and reconfigure them for their fleet. Also they avoid the debt. Also the CEO said recently they would prefer to keep a single fleet type but are "open" to exploring other fleets. What I've heard is they are looking at 787s, which they can't get quickly so then they took a look at used 787s.

Nowhere in his comments does it give any indication they are "buying Spirit".

Also there is no "we are preparing for a merger" or anything like you mention in any filing etc.

I get why you desperately want another stable airline to buy all of Spirit, but I don't see anyone doing that and carrying that much debt and ongoing losses not to mention the added integration costs. It’s just far too toxic of a deal.
Completely agree. The article specifically states they are looking for new orders by 2030 which gives SWA time to prepare internally for the addition to its fleet. SWA has always been particular about protecting its brand. To add NK to the SWA brand does not make sense at all. The AirTran acquisition taught SWA some things and it makes me wonder that SWA thinks twice about repeating that mistake.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Also AA management has already said that of the 300 orders about 230 of them are replacing older planes. All of which will have to be financed or leased, making it harder for them to dig out of their debt hole and another reason they aren't buying Spirit in whole.
Are you referring to American’s order announcement on 5/24 for 321/737 replacements starting in the mid 2030’s?

Their current order book has +100 deliveries in the next 3 years alone—pure growth. AA management has said they don’t plan on retiring any A/C now through 2030. It was also recently announced they have options for another 30 787’s that could be delivered before 2030 if they decide to exercise those options.
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Old 12-09-2025 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler9999
Completely agree. The article specifically states they are looking for new orders by 2030 which gives SWA time to prepare internally for the addition to its fleet. SWA has always been particular about protecting its brand. To add NK to the SWA brand does not make sense at all. The AirTran acquisition taught SWA some things and it makes me wonder that SWA thinks twice about repeating that mistake.
Boeing let them down and put them at risk. I believe Southwest (SWA) wants to diversify its fleet, and they have stated so publicly. Furthermore, smart money agrees with me that Spirit should be—and will be—sold. You don’t buy 5% of the company, push for an examiner, and amend your disclosure statement insisting on a sale if you think Spirit is going to be liquidated. https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.ne...3e6552f713.pdf
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Old 12-09-2025 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
You don’t buy 5% of the company, push for an examiner, and amend your disclosure statement insisting on a sale if you think Spirit is going to be liquidated. https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.ne...3e6552f713.pdf
This filing doesn't mean that at all. They are unsecured creditors who are upset that the secured creditors have taken control of the company to preserve their asset value in the event of a liquidatyion and set it up so that Esopus Creek Advisors will get wiped out if that happens. They are just mad and using their equity stake to try and make waves so they can get some secured debt, which isn’t going to happen.
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Old 12-09-2025 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
This filing doesn't mean that at all. They are unsecured creditors who are upset that the secured creditors have taken control of the company to preserve their asset value in the event of a liquidatyion and set it up so that Esopus Creek Advisors will get wiped out if that happens. They are just mad and using their equity stake to try and make waves so they can get some secured debt, which isn’t going to happen.
Yes, it does. Also, page 27 shows they made a profit of $20 million in October, and there is even a chance they never drew from the DIP. I am trying to confirm this, but their cash balance does not appear to reflect any DIP funds in October. You would have expected to see an increase in cash of $200 million plus interest expenses.

https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.ne...5a53c993d2.pdf
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