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here’s one for example, if you look back at previous dockets you’ll see hundreds of thousands have been spent on liquidation talks.
https://document.epiq11.com/document...=SPJ&source=DM
I believe they are required to examine liquidation scenarios as part of their due diligence, but most of their time is being spent on restructuring and preparing the airline for sale.Originally Posted by HoustonRockets
Lets hope so albeit if you look back at the dockets on the ww.dm.eqiq11 they have been spending hundreds of thousands a month across multiple law firms for liquidation analysis here’s one for example, if you look back at previous dockets you’ll see hundreds of thousands have been spent on liquidation talks.
https://document.epiq11.com/document...=SPJ&source=DM
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Right? I get that our entire bottom line earnings for October was +$20mil, due entirely from accounting tricks.. but when I think about Frontier, AA, and JB losing money horribly in Q3.. I mean, a bottom line profit is a profit nonetheless.. we're still on track for almost a Billion $ in quarterly revenue.. so.. I still don't get that we don't have a revenue problem, it's the expenses that just aren't in line with our revenues that seems to be our problem.
Just curious what planes they can get their hands on, if ordered new, right now, delivered by 2030? Or you mean order planes by 2030 and just take a 2045+ delivery? Alaska is adding Rome flights and getting their hands on LHR slots now, I hear, they (WN) can afford to sit still and watch Alaska leapfrog them?
There aren’t enough shares currently trading for you to acquire 5% of the company, even if you wanted to. Once the liabilities tied to the 38+ aircraft grounded due to engine problems come off the balance sheet, their numbers will improve. However, they are going to still experience losses for awhile.Originally Posted by BenS
Ha! Let's get 20 "wall at bets" style captains to buy 5% each! We could control 100% of what happens from here!!!Right? I get that our entire bottom line earnings for October was +$20mil, due entirely from accounting tricks.. but when I think about Frontier, AA, and JB losing money horribly in Q3.. I mean, a bottom line profit is a profit nonetheless.. we're still on track for almost a Billion $ in quarterly revenue.. so.. I still don't get that we don't have a revenue problem, it's the expenses that just aren't in line with our revenues that seems to be our problem.
Just curious what planes they can get their hands on, if ordered new, right now, delivered by 2030? Or you mean order planes by 2030 and just take a 2045+ delivery? Alaska is adding Rome flights and getting their hands on LHR slots now, I hear, they (WN) can afford to sit still and watch Alaska leapfrog them?
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No Spirit didn't "make" $20M. The terminated leases are on the balance sheet and because the accounted for liability of the leases was more than the accounting value of leases terminated, this is an income GAIN under GAAP. Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
No, they made 20 million when you factor in the AERCAP settlements etc. The bottom line is they may not have drawn from the DIP and they were positive + 20 million in October. This is much different from what you have been telling everyone. They are not liquidating, they are restructuring. November will be interesting.
All adjustments to the balance sheet have to show as a gain or loss for income reporting because of tax liability. Spirit lost $96M in operating as an airline in October, but there was a $124 DIFFERENCE between the Asset value and Liability value, it came over as a "gain" for earnings. But it was non cash and only affected possible future tax payments on earnings, which it would have because it has billions in NOL carryforwards.
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here’s one for example, if you look back at previous dockets you’ll see hundreds of thousands have been spent on liquidation talks.
https://document.epiq11.com/document...=SPJ&source=DM
Yes but in that very same document "liquidation analysis" was a grand total of 35 hours out of the 2687 hours billed. That hardly would seem to be a focus or plan, just a due dilligence matter. Originally Posted by HoustonRockets
Lets hope so albeit if you look back at the dockets on the ww.dm.eqiq11 they have been spending hundreds of thousands a month across multiple law firms for liquidation analysis here’s one for example, if you look back at previous dockets you’ll see hundreds of thousands have been spent on liquidation talks.
https://document.epiq11.com/document...=SPJ&source=DM
Whether they can avoid that fate or not is an open question, but it does not seem to be management's plan or intended course of action at this time.
"because it has billions in NOL carryforwards"
Missing stuff like this and a thousand other angles is why none of the takes on here are worth much.
The difference between an investment banker/airline/PE view of Spirit and its value vs the way pilots look at it is a mile wide.
This entire thread is a bunch of blind fools feeling around in the dark.
Missing stuff like this and a thousand other angles is why none of the takes on here are worth much.
The difference between an investment banker/airline/PE view of Spirit and its value vs the way pilots look at it is a mile wide.
This entire thread is a bunch of blind fools feeling around in the dark.
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Missing stuff like this and a thousand other angles is why none of the takes on here are worth much.
Its literally on the 10-K. Over $2B total in NOL carryforwards between federal and state taxes.Originally Posted by skipro101
"because it has billions in NOL carryforwards"Missing stuff like this and a thousand other angles is why none of the takes on here are worth much.
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Whether they can avoid that fate or not is an open question, but it does not seem to be management's plan or intended course of action at this time.
Exactly! They have to do it, but that's not what they're spending all their time on.Originally Posted by TAFsMatter
Yes but in that very same document "liquidation analysis" was a grand total of 35 hours out of the 2687 hours billed. That hardly would seem to be a focus or plan, just a due dilligence matter. Whether they can avoid that fate or not is an open question, but it does not seem to be management's plan or intended course of action at this time.
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You misread my post.Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Its literally on the 10-K. Over $2B total in NOL carryforwards between federal and state taxes.
I am saying the NOL carry-forwards are just one example of the many intricacies of this situation. Meanwhile we have pilots thinking they know what is likely to happen based on cherry picking random filings, brand pecking order, seniority list integrations, etc.
The situation doesn't look good and hasn't for 5 years but we are at the precipice of this resolving, one way or another. That's about all we know.
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All adjustments to the balance sheet have to show as a gain or loss for income reporting because of tax liability. Spirit lost $96M in operating as an airline in October, but there was a $124 DIFFERENCE between the Asset value and Liability value, it came over as a "gain" for earnings. But it was non cash and only affected possible future tax payments on earnings, which it would have because it has billions in NOL carryforwards.
Another 1/2 truth. Their net income for October was + $20 million and that's the bottom line. Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
No Spirit didn't "make" $20M. The terminated leases are on the balance sheet and because the accounted for liability of the leases was more than the accounting value of leases terminated, this is an income GAIN under GAAP. All adjustments to the balance sheet have to show as a gain or loss for income reporting because of tax liability. Spirit lost $96M in operating as an airline in October, but there was a $124 DIFFERENCE between the Asset value and Liability value, it came over as a "gain" for earnings. But it was non cash and only affected possible future tax payments on earnings, which it would have because it has billions in NOL carryforwards.
Webster's dictionary defines net income as the balance of gross income left after subtracting all allowable deductions, exemptions, and necessary business expenses (like taxes, operating costs, interest) from total earnings, essentially the "take-home" or profit. It's the money you keep or the true profit a company makes after all costs are covered, often called the "bottom line"
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Missing stuff like this and a thousand other angles is why none of the takes on here are worth much.
The difference between an investment banker/airline/PE view of Spirit and its value vs the way pilots look at it is a mile wide.
This entire thread is a bunch of blind fools feeling around in the dark.
It’s manly just two people plugging stuff into chatgpt frantically and plagiarizing the output. Originally Posted by skipro101
"because it has billions in NOL carryforwards"Missing stuff like this and a thousand other angles is why none of the takes on here are worth much.
The difference between an investment banker/airline/PE view of Spirit and its value vs the way pilots look at it is a mile wide.
This entire thread is a bunch of blind fools feeling around in the dark.
