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Old 04-22-2026 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
and most importantly, pre-basic eceonomy
A lot of people forget this HUGE piece to the puzzle. There is a place for a ULCC IF there is no competition for that slice of the market. For a while, Spirit was the only player in that market and they had it all to themselves. When basic economy was rolled out at the legacies and other airlines adopted the model, Spirit got massively diluted and had to cut fares further to retain market share, often at a loss. This is when the margins started compressing pre-COVID. Then Covid hit, and everything went tits up.
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Old 04-22-2026 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
In line with the rest of his STUPID decisions lately. But it will buy the company another 6 months. Whoptie do
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Old 04-22-2026 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by skigambia
The business model was wildly successful pre-NEOs and pre-Covid and pre-Ted.
It was wildly successful because it was arguably predatory. American consumers were either unfamiliar with the unbundling concept or the market segment was too stupid to pay attention. That's why ancillary fees were a majority percentage of the revenue.

When you add up the cost of traveling with luggage, it was hardly low cost. You might save $20/ticket over the legacies. Which was not worth the hassle in case of delays/cancellations as Spirit didn't have the capacity/frequency/structure to reaccommodate passengers quickly.

People wised up and now either travel with no luggage or they travel with someone else. Or pay an extra $20 flying basic economy with a "more reputable" brand.

Lastly, have you looked at the pay of the likes of Ryan Air in Europe? It's significantly less than than their "national main brand" counterparts and they skirt labor laws with the way their bases are structured. When Spirit's labor cost creeped up, it was the last straw, it was no longer a low cost airline, just a crappy one.
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Old 04-22-2026 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mudpie
It was wildly successful because it was arguably predatory. American consumers were either unfamiliar with the unbundling concept or the market segment was too stupid to pay attention. That's why ancillary fees were a majority percentage of the revenue.

When you add up the cost of traveling with luggage, it was hardly low cost. You might save $20/ticket over the legacies. Which was not worth the hassle in case of delays/cancellations as Spirit didn't have the capacity/frequency/structure to reaccommodate passengers quickly.

People wised up and now either travel with no luggage or they travel with someone else. Or pay an extra $20 flying basic economy with a "more reputable" brand.

Lastly, have you looked at the pay of the likes of Ryan Air in Europe? It's significantly less than than their "national main brand" counterparts and they skirt labor laws with the way their bases are structured. When Spirit's labor cost creeped up, it was the last straw, it was no longer a low cost airline, just a crappy one.
Why does Sun Country have such large margins?
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Old 04-22-2026 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by flier320
In line with the rest of his STUPID decisions lately. But it will buy the company another 6 months. Whoptie do
Not even 6 months. The DIP is due to be repaid by July 14th and its $450M so that money is going to the hedge funds. Yes it will reduce Spirit's debt a bit, but Spirit's issues aren't its debt, although that's the barrier to being acquired. Its the daily cash burn ($2M a day in Feb) that is the issue and this money is going to the creditors very soon.
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Old 04-22-2026 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by skigambia
Why does Sun Country have such large margins?
Sun Country is a niche airline with 500 pilots. They're a "hometown" airline in MSP. They're small and know their market and able to quickly pivot in the seasonal vacation market.

Also their labor rate is noticeably less than legacy sized airline.

My family actually flies Allegiant quite a bit even though at times it costs more than a legacy. It allows direct flights to vacation spots out of my non major hub city.
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Old 04-22-2026 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Great now the taxpayer has to dump more money on the fire. What a waste.
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Old 04-22-2026 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Stankhunt42
Great now the taxpayer has to dump more money on the fire. What a waste.
****ed my tax dollars are going to go to this
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Old 04-22-2026 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Originally Posted by Stankhunt42
Great now the taxpayer has to dump more money on the fire. What a waste.
Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
****ed my tax dollars are going to go to this
Talk about cart before horse.....

"Nearing deal" and "advanced discussions" mean diddly until they "sign on the line that is dotted."
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Old 04-22-2026 | 08:59 AM
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Blue Horseshoe loves Spirit Aviation.
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