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TheCalmCaptain 12-31-2025 01:07 PM

Kirby was WRONG!
 
In just a few hours it will be 2026 and I’m proud to announce, Kirby was wrong! We are still here and more resilient and determined than ever. Kirby tried everything to put us out of business from mirroring our à la cart business model, undercutting prices on our routes, obsessively bad mouthing us, failed attempt to purchase targeted assets and last but not least teaming up with JetBlue to drive our FLL yields down. Well, we’re still here!

I’m so proud of this “down with the ship” pilot group. 2026 is going to be a great year for us!

Below is the list of the relentless “Spirit is liquidating by the end of 2025” cheerleaders.

Sorry guys, you were wrong.

Noisecaceller
SSlow
Flyokish
Name user
Friendly pilot
Nry8
Busboi
StoneQOLdcrazy
LNAVVNAVPATH
DIRKDIGGLER9999
GPULLRSHRSAILPLANES
CINCODEMAYO
Fettywap
Putzin
FW90
Halon1211
Washout
Symbian simian
Jules Winfield
Bluejuice01
Washout
Bluespoon
BoeingBrat
TAFsMATTER
PowderKeg
Checkgear
flier320
Jac3d

Stayontarget 12-31-2025 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by TheCalmCaptain (Post 3987129)
In just a few hours it will be 2026 and I’m proud to announce, Kirby was wrong! We are still here and more resilient and determined than ever. Kirby tried everything to put us out of business from mirroring our à la cart business model, undercutting prices on our routes, obsessively bad mouthing us, failed attempt to purchase targeted assets and last but not least teaming up with JetBlue to drive our FLL yields down. Well, we’re still here!

I’m so proud of this “down with the ship” pilot group. 2026 is going to be a great year for us!

Below is the list of the relentless “Spirit is liquidating by the end of 2025” cheerleaders.

Sorry guys, you were wrong.

Noisecaceller
SSlow
Flyokish
Name user
Friendly pilot
Nry8
Busboi
StoneQOLdcrazy
LNAVVNAVPATH
DIRKDIGGLER9999
GPULLRSHRSAILPLANES
CINCODEMAYO
Fettywap
Putzin
FW90
Halon1211
Washout
Symbian simian
Jules Winfield
Bluejuice01
Washout
Bluespoon
BoeingBrat
TAFsMATTER
PowderKeg
Checkgear
flier320
Jac3d

Washout made the list twice because he was/is such a tool huh?

BusBoi 12-31-2025 01:24 PM

I don't recall saying either way whether Spirit would go under. I honestly have no idea what's going to happen.

FriendlyPilot 12-31-2025 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by TheCalmCaptain (Post 3987129)
In just a few hours it will be 2026 and I’m proud to announce, Kirby was wrong! We are still here and more resilient and determined than ever. Kirby tried everything to put us out of business from mirroring our à la cart business model, undercutting prices on our routes, obsessively bad mouthing us, failed attempt to purchase targeted assets and last but not least teaming up with JetBlue to drive our FLL yields down. Well, we’re still here!

I’m so proud of this “down with the ship” pilot group. 2026 is going to be a great year for us!

Below is the list of the relentless “Spirit is liquidating by the end of 2025” cheerleaders.

Sorry guys, you were wrong.

Show where anyone publicly said "in 2025" including Kirby.

Also you overstate how much United is trying to "put you out of business". Kirby is far more focused on Delta and American than a 2% market share ULCC. Also what "failed attempt to purchase target assets"?

Good luck in 2026. Hopefully someone acquires Spirit and brings over the pilots. Nobody here wants to see any pilots out of work. Nobody.

jack3d 12-31-2025 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3987140)
Show where anyone publicly said "in 2025" including Kirby.

Also you overstate how much United is trying to "put you out of business". Kirby is far more focused on Delta and American than a 2% market share ULCC. Also what "failed attempt to purchase target assets"?

Good luck in 2026. Hopefully someone acquires Spirit and brings over the pilots. Nobody here wants to see any pilots out of work. Nobody.

Incoming thread drift....

So let's say NK gets bought by a real airline (not Frontier) in the near future.

Can SPA ALPA negotiate a clause that lets all of the pilots who left during the BKs make a return for the new airline?

I recently heard of some airlines allowing pilots to come back and retain seniority, pay, etc if done within something like 6 months.

I know that starting over is a voluntary event, but it feels like a lot of us really didn't have much of a choice this specific effed up situation.

Lincoln Osiris 12-31-2025 01:57 PM

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SterileMan 12-31-2025 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by jack3d (Post 3987147)
Incoming thread drift....

So let's say NK gets bought by a real airline (not Frontier) in the near future.

Can SPA ALPA negotiate a clause that lets all of the pilots who left during the BKs make a return for the new airline?

I recently heard of some airlines allowing pilots to come back and retain seniority, pay, etc if done within something like 6 months.

I know that starting over is a voluntary event, but it feels like a lot of us really didn't have much of a choice this specific effed up situation.

Furloughs yes, voluntary furloughs no, and no way in hell what you’re proposing.

CincoDeMayo 12-31-2025 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by jack3d (Post 3987147)
Incoming thread drift....

So let's say NK gets bought by a real airline (not Frontier) in the near future.

Can SPA ALPA negotiate a clause that lets all of the pilots who left during the BKs make a return for the new airline?

I recently heard of some airlines allowing pilots to come back and retain seniority, pay, etc if done within something like 6 months.

I know that starting over is a voluntary event, but it feels like a lot of us really didn't have much of a choice this specific effed up situation.


Serious?

First, what airlines did you “recently hear” allow pilots who have resigned to come back and retain their seniority.

If you left, you left, short of those who took voluntary furloughs/furloughed and retain recall rights?

And do you think any NK pilot who guts it out and somehow hits the lottery with finding another seniority list, will want or advocate those who left, to come back?

Everyone who left had a choice
Most who stayed had a choice
Some who have stayed had no choice.

jack3d 12-31-2025 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3987153)
Serious?

First, what airlines did you “recently hear” allow pilots who have resigned to come back and retain their seniority.

If you left, you left, short of those who took voluntary furloughs/furloughed and retain recall rights?

And do you think any NK pilot who guts it out and somehow hits the lottery with finding another seniority list, will want or advocate those who left, to come back?

Everyone who left had a choice
Most who stayed had a choice
Some who have stayed had no choice.

I dont remember which, but it was one of the regionals.

Everything else I kinda agree with, but was wondering which union has allowed this in the past.

I don't agree that people who left had a choice though.

Going concern statements, ch22, chopping the company in half, and imminent ch7 determined by pilot concessions isn't much of a choice from where I sit.

Chimpy 12-31-2025 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by jack3d (Post 3987147)
Incoming thread drift....

So let's say NK gets bought by a real airline (not Frontier) in the near future.

Can SPA ALPA negotiate a clause that lets all of the pilots who left during the BKs make a return for the new airline?

I recently heard of some airlines allowing pilots to come back and retain seniority, pay, etc if done within something like 6 months.

I know that starting over is a voluntary event, but it feels like a lot of us really didn't have much of a choice this specific effed up situation.


No way this should happen. Ever. (with exception of Furloughs obviously)

A few regionals had something where you could go back within x amount of months.


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