Originally Posted by nene (Post 4030615)

First: Spirit Airlines shutting down is not a “tragedy”. It is capitalism correcting the market. You either offer a product people wantt or you perish, been that way largely for 250yrs in the us.

it’s about perspective. Wallowing in what was, does not help. Even when times were bleak it’s important to see this as an opportunity for something even potentially better.

Those who like to just sit and complain about mgmt, the govt, and even other pilots generally haven’t done enough to help themselves which is far more rewarding in life.

yes some of us are older and more experienced on the industry and have been in the exact position thousands of pilots find themselves in currently, but if you take control of your own destiny, you can often turn lemons into lemonaid even if by accident.

Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 4030703)

It always seems to be a certain generation though that is morbidly offended when someone dares suggest they have it worse than them.

as I tell my kids, just because you had it worse does not mean someone else doesn’t have it bad. Your “context” is ill timed and unhelpful to people who just lost their jobs. All it demonstrates is that your “more experienced” generation was too busy raging about the greatness of capitalism to make it to church on Sundays and learn a little empathy.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 4030585)

When I was young I was furloughed uphill, in the rain, both ways. That made me the tone deaf idiot I am now.

Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 4030710)

Airlines are like that; all living on borrowed time, and any pilot at any airline is fooling themselves if they don’t think it can’t happen to them next and at the worst possible time.

Originally Posted by nene (Post 4030745)

A “tragedy” is what happened to the Jazz flight crew this year. Perspective is required. I hope everyone has a glorious career, gets rich, and doesn’t get fat. But reality is the real “tragedies” are unrecoverable.

It’s not empathetic to wallow in what was. True empathy is helping those affected to recover and prosper as quickly as possible.

Fake empathy actually does more damage to a situation. We see it in our culture much too often nowadays.

Best to all employees and I will do my best to help the few I know move on.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 4030843)

Sadly this is all true.

Sure we can all wish them the best and we all
hope Spirit pilots find a new home, quickly.

But discussing the cold hard facts and hitting it while it’s fresh IS an important lesson for those reading for the “next” Spirit type shut down, because there will be more.

It’s fresh now and it’s the appropriate time to address the simple fact that you owe the company nothing, concessions do nothing, management is only looking out for themselves, again concessions do nothing, and you have to move on once you see the writing on the wall

These facts don’t remove any empathetic feelings, but this tough love reminder should be heard by all pilots for the next go around.

“This is the business we’ve chosen”

Originally Posted by Jim Rockford (Post 4030847)

Truth talking about concessions. Independence Air executives espoused they would take a hit for the team as well (25% i think?) against their pay if union workers did the same. Turns out the pay cuts for the pilots was a true concession of givebacks. The Executives? What they never vocalized was their pay concession went into a fully refundable insurance policy which they cashed out later back to themselves when the SS Independence Air sunk in bankruptcy.

Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17 (Post 4030863)

Never ever ever ever give concessions, the end will be the same regardless.

Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17 (Post 4030863)

Never ever ever ever give concessions, the end will be the same regardless.