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Originally Posted by DeadStick
(Post 1804255)
Sacrificing FO rates for one's own upgrade sounds like the IGM (I Got Mine) mentality that continually screws the guy below you. I know that's not what you mean to suggest, and I see your point, but we'll need to make this an appealing place to work when the upgrade dries up (Since upgrading is what we have to do just to make what legacy FOs make).
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Originally Posted by putzin
(Post 1804259)
PBS won't make this an "attractive" place.
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Originally Posted by DeadStick
(Post 1804274)
I never came close to advocating PBS. #Readingcomprehension. ;)
The discussions great though...... |
Preface by saying this comment is not meant pro or con PBS...
If PBS was implemented wouldn't the resulting adjustment only be temporary? Wouldn't the hiring and upgrading return to our current growth rates once the staffing became right-sized? |
Yeah, I'm not sure how PBS affects upgrading or recruitment (other than no one really likes it). United and Delta have PBS, they seem to be hiring pilots, just as I think we would.
Talk of PBS, work change rules and contract extensions have me worried. I need to upgrade fast! From what I understand, we weren't required to disclose performance figures for 2014, but the spin from management placed us squarely average, which is where we wanted to be. We don't want to be first, "too expensive", nor do we want to be last. We want to be average seems to be the motto. |
Originally Posted by TTOCSMCC
(Post 1804319)
Preface by saying this comment is not meant pro or con PBS...
If PBS was implemented wouldn't the resulting adjustment only be temporary? Wouldn't the hiring and upgrading return to our current growth rates once the staffing became right-sized? |
Originally Posted by Lobaeux
(Post 1804332)
Yeah, I'm not sure how PBS affects upgrading or recruitment (other than no one really likes it). United and Delta have PBS, they seem to be hiring pilots, just as I think we would.
Talk of PBS, work change rules and contract extensions have me worried. I need to upgrade fast! |
Originally Posted by ManFlex
(Post 1804092)
The single biggest problem I have with PBS coming to NK is fundamentally that I do not trust our management. We are handing over a lot of power over our daily lives to management with PBS. It won't be transparent and I do not have confidence that the negotiating committee will get us the proper language in a new CBA. I'd expect red/green ^10 in terms of the number of grievances to get it right. I've worked under PBS in the past and I consider bringing it here to be a concession.
This is the main reason I would not vote for PBS. Management has made their bed of distrust and now must sleep in it. Oops mgmt you fckt up. Now deal with it |
Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 1804390)
This is the main reason I would not vote for PBS. Management has made their bed of distrust and now must sleep in it.
Oops mgmt you fckt up. Now deal with it |
Originally Posted by king10pin02
(Post 1804406)
after working the the FLICA PBS at my former employee (I was a union base rep for the flica pbs system), I can confidently say (my opinion) that the FLICA PBS system would be a disaster for our pilot group. Since we use FLICA for everything else, Id assume that is the vendor they would go with. Ive seen both sides, Line and PBS, going back to PBS would be a massive step backwards for our pilot group
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