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OK, separate the two issues.

Give the DL LOA it's own number, get five hours per day; and rewrite the Protection LOA to where the pilot gets the benefit of the doubt and I'll vote for them.

WelcomeToBen

01-23-2015 03:10 PM

Email from the union states that the EFB protection language is industry standard. Anybody actually compared the protection language to other contracts? I was initially a little concerned about the protection language, but if it is truly industry standard than hopefully it shouldn't be an issue.

BrasiliaDriver

01-23-2015 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor (Post 1810049)

I'm hung up on the pay vs the enormous savings that this iPad and DL will give to the company. I just don't see why we don't get the full 18hr paid.

This is where I am coming from. This is supposed to be a negotiation. Why should we accept the first deal brought forward? We know that the company will probably never pay all 18 hours, but they may meet us somewhere in the middle and we may be successful in further defining Fair Market Value so that it is not so ambiguous and one sided. If that means we have to reject the LOA in order to bring it back to the table then that is what we should do.

NO until there is some give and take. That is a negotiation. Not, "accept this or else". That is an ultimatum.

Qotsaautopilot

01-23-2015 05:09 PM

Feel free to vote no as I will be doing but in theory a TA is not a first offer, it represents a back and forth negotiation between the company and the negotiating committee which represents you. To look at all TAs as a "first offer" would be misguided.

Qotsaautopilot

01-23-2015 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WelcomeToBen (Post 1810209)

I haven't seen their exact language but after reading ours my united friends tell me that our efb language is much stronger. If it were presented alone I would vote yes for it no problem. My no vote is 100% about being on a min day off line and losing two more days off to do training on my own time. That is 100% concessionary and 100% why I'm voting no. Period.

Sailor

01-23-2015 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrasiliaDriver (Post 1810258)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor

I'm hung up on the pay vs the enormous savings that this iPad and DL will give to the company. I just don't see why we don't get the full 18hr paid.

This is where I am coming from. This is supposed to be a negotiation. Why should we accept the first deal brought forward? We know that the company will probably never pay all 18 hours, but they may meet us somewhere in the middle and we may be successful in further defining Fair Market Value so that it is not so ambiguous and one sided. If that means we have to reject the LOA in order to bring it back to the table then that is what we should do.

NO until there is some give and take. That is a negotiation. Not, "accept this or else". That is an ultimatum.

I don't think they "ALPA" is shoving this down our throats, hence the read, ask, think, vote.....my problem still is the major company gain vs the extra 2 hrs of pay....not enough to use my off time at home or my Required Rest Time on Overnights.

Qotsaautopilot

01-23-2015 06:50 PM

Anyone know when our w2 should be on link? I know they have to the end of the month but I've heard some have theirs already

TTOCSMCC

01-23-2015 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by putzin (Post 1809654)

I would vote "no" on Alaska rates as they would leave us too far behind. Don't settle, we're worth more.

And....still voting "no" on the current TA. We shouldn't be doing scare tactics.

I agree about Alaska.
Regarding the LOA I just don't see scare tactics or threat being employed here. There is nothing substantial to win...
It's 2015 now and we need our efforts directed where needed for real and substantial gains.

ShopVac

01-23-2015 07:03 PM

Any ideas how this might effect PT's and PC's?

If my pad goes bad, do I have to buy a new one from the co., or will they just trade me for a spare?

If a pad gets lost, will they offer loaners til it is found?

What do other airlines do in the situations?

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