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Spirit of NKS, Part II

Old 05-05-2016 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ovrtake92
Can someone explain why the lines for next month are built with mostly 72 hours of credit with so much anticipated open-time? Just seems like they are setting themselves up for disaster. At least in Vegas that's the case Maybe that's the plan.
Be glad that's the case. Otherwise schedules would be 13 days off for every line, 92 credit and 90 block.
Old 05-05-2016 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ovrtake92
Can someone explain why the lines for next month are built with mostly 72 hours of credit with so much anticipated open-time? Just seems like they are setting themselves up for disaster. At least in Vegas that's the case Maybe that's the plan.
How can you see the lines so early? iPad?
Old 05-05-2016 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
How can you see the lines so early? iPad?
Yes. I think they just came out today. LAS lines are a lot of 14-15 days off with 72 hours credit. DFW is much better though. Lots of open time so just seems inefficient
Old 05-05-2016 | 02:44 PM
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What's up with these 7hr 42 min days of of ORD. 4-5 legs on the west coast!!!! I will not extend for these asspipes!
Old 05-05-2016 | 02:54 PM
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Wow...do we need min day and REAL trip rigs.

Tons of 17 days off with 72 hours credit and 13 days off with 80 hours credit.

Maybe the collapse will begin in June..it is summer, after all. A summer without a collapse is just not summer.
Old 05-05-2016 | 03:49 PM
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Do we have a bunch of feckless union leadership or what?

We get brushed off a negotiation schedule, called second class pilots and are coming up on a year past amenable date and what have we heard from our leaders? Crickets.

I thought after our last push here on APC to get press from billboards, newspaper editorials and newspaper advertisements, we might see some activity. Crickets.

After BF calls us chumps and easily controlled stooges I assumed our leaders would respond in a forceful way. Instead we got a mealy mouthed letter sent to no one. Has anyone seen it in public? Whoever sent that out on a Friday needs to buy Public Relations and Communications for Dummies.

Would it be too much to ask the pilots work as a team? A membership wide letter saying something like "in these challenging negotiating times, it is imperative we show management how important our contribution to company can be and the importance of proper staffing. Therefore we recommend everyone to fly there lines as awarded and nothing more, even at 200%. We also recommend for our FO's to complete an extra through preflight inspection and captains should comply with the manual to the letter regarding discrepancies.
If the placards are difficult to read they need to be written up.
We recommend people do not subject fellow workers to illness. If you feel unwell please use your sick time."

Someone smarter than me can clean it up to make it pass legal scrutiny. We only want legal actions. But action none the less. Why is our leadership so unwilling to rock the boat?

As it stands, each base is left up to their own imagination to gain attention from the company. We won't be unified until our leaders ask us to be.
Come on guys. Talk to us. Lead us.
Old 05-05-2016 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
Do we have a bunch of feckless union leadership or what?

We get brushed off a negotiation schedule, called second class pilots and are coming up on a year past amenable date and what have we heard from our leaders? Crickets.

I thought after our last push here on APC to get press from billboards, newspaper editorials and newspaper advertisements, we might see some activity. Crickets.

After BF calls us chumps and easily controlled stooges I assumed our leaders would respond in a forceful way. Instead we got a mealy mouthed letter sent to no one. Has anyone seen it in public? Whoever sent that out on a Friday needs to buy Public Relations and Communications for Dummies.

Would it be too much to ask the pilots work as a team? A membership wide letter saying something like "in these challenging negotiating times, it is imperative we show management how important our contribution to company can be and the importance of proper staffing. Therefore we recommend everyone to fly there lines as awarded and nothing more, even at 200%. We also recommend for our FO's to complete an extra through preflight inspection and captains should comply with the manual to the letter regarding discrepancies.
If the placards are difficult to read they need to be written up.
We recommend people do not subject fellow workers to illness. If you feel unwell please use your sick time."

Someone smarter than me can clean it up to make it pass legal scrutiny. We only want legal actions. But action none the less. Why is our leadership so unwilling to rock the boat?

As it stands, each base is left up to their own imagination to gain attention from the company. We won't be unified until our leaders ask us to be.
Come on guys. Talk to us. Lead us.

uhh.. because they are on 100% trip drops with a 20% override and only have to meet 1-3 times a month with management. Nice gig! Wakeup people, we have been begging you to see the light, you see we were right about this BS focussed non section six crap, yet you still do not believe us when we tell you that our NC has no incentive to work any harder. Got to keep ACY open, now that we are so well represented with TWO ACY pilots on the NC out of 3, nice. We all get what we deserve, Contract 2020!!
Old 05-05-2016 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Audi2000
uhh.. because they are on 100% trip drops with a 20% override and only have to meet 1-3 times a month with management. Nice gig! Wakeup people, we have been begging you to see the light, you see we were right about this BS focussed non section six crap, yet you still do not believe us when we tell you that our NC has no incentive to work any harder. Got to keep ACY open, now that we are so well represented with TWO ACY pilots on the NC out of 3, nice. We all get what we deserve, Contract 2020!!
only MM is ACY based
Old 05-05-2016 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
Do we have a bunch of feckless union leadership or what?

We get brushed off a negotiation schedule, called second class pilots and are coming up on a year past amenable date and what have we heard from our leaders? Crickets.

I thought after our last push here on APC to get press from billboards, newspaper editorials and newspaper advertisements, we might see some activity. Crickets.

After BF calls us chumps and easily controlled stooges I assumed our leaders would respond in a forceful way. Instead we got a mealy mouthed letter sent to no one. Has anyone seen it in public? Whoever sent that out on a Friday needs to buy Public Relations and Communications for Dummies.

Would it be too much to ask the pilots work as a team? A membership wide letter saying something like "in these challenging negotiating times, it is imperative we show management how important our contribution to company can be and the importance of proper staffing. Therefore we recommend everyone to fly there lines as awarded and nothing more, even at 200%. We also recommend for our FO's to complete an extra through preflight inspection and captains should comply with the manual to the letter regarding discrepancies.
If the placards are difficult to read they need to be written up.
We recommend people do not subject fellow workers to illness. If you feel unwell please use your sick time."

Someone smarter than me can clean it up to make it pass legal scrutiny. We only want legal actions. But action none the less. Why is our leadership so unwilling to rock the boat?

As it stands, each base is left up to their own imagination to gain attention from the company. We won't be unified until our leaders ask us to be.
Come on guys. Talk to us. Lead us.
We got an email from the 18 reps earlier about a lot of this stuff. Seemed hard hitting and was refreshing to hear.

Edit- ALPA can not legally suggest most of the things you mention to the best of my knowledge
Old 05-05-2016 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Audi2000
Got to keep ACY open, now that we are so well represented with TWO ACY pilots on the NC out of 3, nice. We all get what we deserve, Contract 2020!!
Who's the second ACY negotiator?...and what difference does it make anyway? If management wants to close ACY, they don't need union approval.

....and BTW, this is not the first time you've implied the negotiators are working deals to keep ACY open. It sounds like you're hoping the base closes and you're getting your rocks off thinking about it.
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