Originally Posted by Gunga Din

Do we have a bunch of feckless union leadership or what?

We get brushed off a negotiation schedule, called second class pilots and are coming up on a year past amenable date and what have we heard from our leaders? Crickets.

I thought after our last push here on APC to get press from billboards, newspaper editorials and newspaper advertisements, we might see some activity. Crickets.

After BF calls us chumps and easily controlled stooges I assumed our leaders would respond in a forceful way. Instead we got a mealy mouthed letter sent to no one. Has anyone seen it in public? Whoever sent that out on a Friday needs to buy Public Relations and Communications for Dummies.

Would it be too much to ask the pilots work as a team? A membership wide letter saying something like "in these challenging negotiating times, it is imperative we show management how important our contribution to company can be and the importance of proper staffing. Therefore we recommend everyone to fly there lines as awarded and nothing more, even at 200%. We also recommend for our FO's to complete an extra through preflight inspection and captains should comply with the manual to the letter regarding discrepancies.
If the placards are difficult to read they need to be written up.
We recommend people do not subject fellow workers to illness. If you feel unwell please use your sick time."

Someone smarter than me can clean it up to make it pass legal scrutiny. We only want legal actions. But action none the less. Why is our leadership so unwilling to rock the boat?

As it stands, each base is left up to their own imagination to gain attention from the company. We won't be unified until our leaders ask us to be.
Come on guys. Talk to us. Lead us.

Originally Posted by Shortie

Telling pilots to avoid picking up time would be an illegal job action resulting in litigation against us. This must be your first contract negotiation because unfortunately these things take time. I have confidence in our negotiating committee. I'm glad you are ****ed, but you should be ****ed at the company, not the union. We need to fly the contract and follow the letter of the law. Don't fly sick. Write up broken planes. Don't fly fatigued. Fill out your applications at other carriers because this place will always be a low tier operation with low tier management who couldn't care less about you unless it affects their bottom line,

Originally Posted by ropestart

What's up with these 7hr 42 min days of of ORD. 4-5 legs on the west coast!!!! I will not extend for these asspipes!

Originally Posted by gonyon

Where are you guys seeing the lines? I don't see June bid packs on 365

Originally Posted by gringo

Are you going through recurrent next month?

Originally Posted by gonyon

Where are you guys seeing the lines? I don't see June bid packs on 365

Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin

You aren't. You need to be on the plane. It's to verify you are a pilot here. Those prompts can be changed/moved around from airline to airline.

Originally Posted by Sailor

Wu wu wu WUT!! Common sense? , friend, we are in the middle of a temper tantrum here, we don't need comun sense, we don't want comun sense. We are fighting two fronts here, a low tier management and a socialist Union. Any of us could go to Bendo Bob and Jyri and say "I want this much money" and they'll pay with out delay. What's going on now is our union is on a perpetual vacation and we are going to stop it. We are going to tell managment what section we want to negotiate first, and that's that.

The new NC, run by Patriots will get what they want. Period.

Originally Posted by A320ULCC

Come on dude, we are supposed to be focused on the hate toward this low tier management team.
Stop with the conspiracy theories and stop acting like an idiot.

Originally Posted by Sailor

No theories , all true, you can read it all here on apc, "the anti-Union campaign claims to be able to do better, dude! Hold the insults for when me meet (pm me anytime).