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Ostensibly no new hire class in December, maybe 12 total new hires split between Jan/Feb and before that email yesterday the communication from the company to people who held CJOs was “we no longer have a date for you and may not into 2Q24”.

Company is saying it is sim availability, union is saying it is deeper systematic issues that need all stakeholders involved to come together to fix. The fear is that no real changes are made during this drawdown and we shrink in 24.

It was not a very feel good call, hence the email almost immediately.

Highflyer35

mid term bargaining tactics by the company and union. Why would the union say all is well going into mid term? Just to have the company take advantage of negotiations. When’s the last time the union was ever conpletely happy with company decisions? Never. It’s what they do.

id still rather be at SY when the economy takes a dump vs other ULCC or legacy.

nibake

I agree with both points. Having said that, would you say anything different about the status of our staffing and training dept? Even if it weren't mid-term bargaining tactics, the numbers speak pretty clear with no commentary whatsoever. I think many who have been watching things like position awards have come to the same conclusions on their own.

I saw an ad from United during the Vikings game, advertising some kind of ab initio training...

Totally agree with this. Yeah, there are some juicy rumors and run of the mill misinformation, but by and large I am with you. I've listened to the calls and followed things fairly closely, and I think a lot of what's on here jives with what you get from the calls and p2p info. Maybe you and I are just good at zoning out the noise of posts that are coming out of left field and focusing on the more useful info.

trip

Sunny leasing away two aircraft?
https://simpleflying.com/sun-country-flydubai-lease/

nibake

If you keep reading back, I think you'll find the full context.

But, yes, here What’s the latest? I was referring to the (5) 900s and the (2) 800s which are being leased back instead of flown by us. Why fix the problems causing people to bypass upgrade when you can shrink to success??

Anyway, no one is using the words "death spiral" so that's good.

beech1980

I could see them to continue to purchase planes and not address the elephant in the room! The simulator issue is not the problem. It's their way to deflect the problem. The union and pilots have tried for months if not a year plus to help fix the issues. It's gonna take money and QOL improvements to get it the upgrades and retention issues fixed. Let the locals fly the short trips, let the commuters fly the long trips. Give some flexibility in trading and dropping trip! There you go half the problem solved. Now just pay your way with rates and it will slow attrition. Let's be honest, if a guy wants to fly a wide body they will never stay.

ExcelMN

JB and non-pilot management don’t think they have a retention or attrition problem.

beech1980

They won't admit it until they need a new contract to meet their growth plan. Just like 2 years ago.

R0GER BALL

Well. This is what it feels like.
I figure everyone shares responsibility.
How's it feel for you? I'm not thrilled, but happy I'm far from The Plug.

sidelinesam

Did I miss something? Is the sky falling?