Arrivals and Speeds
11-23-2018, 05:27 AM
#21
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Just watch your TCAS on the guy ahead, you’re looking for 10 miles. If over 10, go as fast as you want(when smooth).
Once you get ten miles, slow to match that aircraft, simple. On the ILS final, about 3 miles will do depending on types.
Once you get ten miles, slow to match that aircraft, simple. On the ILS final, about 3 miles will do depending on types.
12-22-2018, 07:28 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by sourdough44
Just watch your TCAS on the guy ahead, you’re looking for 10 miles. If over 10, go as fast as you want(when smooth).
Once you get ten miles, slow to match that aircraft, simple. On the ILS final, about 3 miles will do depending on types.
Once you get ten miles, slow to match that aircraft, simple. On the ILS final, about 3 miles will do depending on types.
12-23-2018, 07:55 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
I guess I haven't viewed the lack of "descend via" as liberally as that.
If cleared for a STAR, routing and airspeeds are mandatory; not altitudes unless cleared to "descend via." This isn't new.
Unless told to descend via, then one is not expected to comply with the published altitudes.
12-30-2018, 08:34 PM
#24
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GENERALLY, unless given a "climb/decent via," the altitude restrictions are not in effect.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/afx/afs/afs400/afs410/pbn/media/Climb_Descend_Via_FAQ.pdf
HOWEVER, for some procedures the altitudes are mandatory regardless of the "climb via." Look at LGA GLDMN 5 departure, the note "Strict compliance with track and altitude restrictions is mandatory."
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/afx/afs/afs400/afs410/pbn/media/Climb_Descend_Via_FAQ.pdf
9. Q. What if I depart on a climb via clearance and later given a clearance to “Climb and Maintain”
an altitude; should I comply with any published altitude restrictions?
A. NO. Unlike a “Climb Via” clearance, when cleared to “Climb and Maintain,” you are expected to
vacate your current altitude and commence an unrestricted climb to comply with the clearance. For
aircraft already climbing via a SID, published altitude restrictions are deleted unless re- issued by
ATC. Speed restrictions remain in effect unless the controller explicitly cancels or amends the speed
restrictions.
an altitude; should I comply with any published altitude restrictions?
A. NO. Unlike a “Climb Via” clearance, when cleared to “Climb and Maintain,” you are expected to
vacate your current altitude and commence an unrestricted climb to comply with the clearance. For
aircraft already climbing via a SID, published altitude restrictions are deleted unless re- issued by
ATC. Speed restrictions remain in effect unless the controller explicitly cancels or amends the speed
restrictions.
01-01-2019, 09:29 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by vessbot
GENERALLY, unless given a "climb/decent via," the altitude restrictions are not in effect.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...nd_Via_FAQ.pdf
HOWEVER, for some procedures the altitudes are mandatory regardless of the "climb via." Look at LGA GLDMN 5 departure, the note "Strict compliance with track and altitude restrictions is mandatory."
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...nd_Via_FAQ.pdf
HOWEVER, for some procedures the altitudes are mandatory regardless of the "climb via." Look at LGA GLDMN 5 departure, the note "Strict compliance with track and altitude restrictions is mandatory."
Obviously if terrain (vice arrival traffic) is the conflict then ATC would never waive it. In this case I don't recall any mountains in Queens or Brooklyn (JFK traffic maybe).
01-01-2019, 07:14 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Where does it say ATC cannot waive that with a "climb and maintain"?
Obviously if terrain (vice arrival traffic) is the conflict then ATC would never waive it. In this case I don't recall any mountains in Queens or Brooklyn (JFK traffic maybe).
Obviously if terrain (vice arrival traffic) is the conflict then ATC would never waive it. In this case I don't recall any mountains in Queens or Brooklyn (JFK traffic maybe).
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