Arrivals and Speeds
11-19-2018, 05:40 AM
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Arrivals and Speeds
Let’s say you’re on an arrival with published altitude restrictions and speed restrictions. ATC has NOT issued a descend via clearance. Are you required to comply with the speed restrictions? From what I have read, I believe you are. Several people I have talked to say no. Also, from what I’ve read, I believe you are.
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11-19-2018, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruno82
Let’s say you’re on an arrival with published altitude restrictions and speed restrictions. ATC has NOT issued a descend via clearance. Are you required to comply with the speed restrictions? From what I have read, I believe you are. Several people I have talked to say no. Also, from what I’ve read, I believe you are.
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11-19-2018, 06:16 AM
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Yes, the speeds are always required unless specifically waived by ATC.
Also, technically "Resume Normal Speed" on a routing with published speeds means comply with the next published speed.
Also, technically "Resume Normal Speed" on a routing with published speeds means comply with the next published speed.
11-19-2018, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Yes. Absent any other clearance, if you're cleared for the arrival, you comply with the published speeds. I think it would be pretty unusual not to get some kind of vertical clearance while being cleared for the arrival. It may not be "descend via" but at a minimum it's probably going to be cross a down range fix at an altitude.
11-19-2018, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes, the speeds are always required unless specifically waived by ATC.
Also, technically "Resume Normal Speed" on a routing with published speeds means comply with the next published speed.
Also, technically "Resume Normal Speed" on a routing with published speeds means comply with the next published speed.
I have always believed this to be true as well, but can you provide a source? I want to put it on my EFB, so the next time a CA doesn't believe me I can show him.
Seems like 1/3 or so believe that the speeds are binding only with the "descend via" clearance.
11-19-2018, 07:07 AM
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11-19-2018, 07:09 AM
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Here’s a nice doc created by my union. Not really “official” (so user assumes all risk, yadda yadda yadda....) but it seems to be accurate to the extent I’ve referenced it. The issue asked about seems to be covered by the last (blue) line on the far right.
EDIT: hmmm, never tried attachments here and not sure how to make this usable, sorry if you can’t download it.
EDIT: hmmm, never tried attachments here and not sure how to make this usable, sorry if you can’t download it.
11-19-2018, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by starkutt1
He didn’t say you were cleared for the arrival he said you’re on an arrival but atc didnt issue a descend via , a descend via is clearance to comply with the published altitudes and speed if one wasn’t issued I’d say you have no speed restrictions .
Lol wut. If you’re flying an arrival it’s part of your clearance. Speeds are mandatory even if you’re not descending via.
Looking forward to getting this explained to me........
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