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Old 02-29-2024, 04:51 PM
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  1. Title 14
  2. Chapter I
  3. Subchapter F
  4. Part 91
  5. Subpart K
  6. Program Management
  7. § 91.1039
(e) Except as provided in § 91.176 of this chapter, each pilot making an IFR takeoff or approach and landing at an airport must comply with applicable instrument approach procedures and takeoff and landing weather minimums prescribed by the authority having jurisdiction over the airport. In addition, no pilot may take off at that airport when the visibility is less than 600 feet, unless otherwise authorized in the program manager's management specifications for EFVS operations.

As you see above, Does 91K have a different Takeoff min than 91?
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Originally Posted by guntherthepilot View Post
§ 91.1039(e) Except as provided in § 91.176 of this chapter, each pilot making an IFR takeoff or approach and landing at an airport must comply with applicable instrument approach procedures and takeoff and landing weather minimums prescribed by the authority having jurisdiction over the airport. In addition, no pilot may take off at that airport when the visibility is less than 600 feet, unless otherwise authorized in the program manager's management specifications for EFVS operations.

As you see above, Does 91K have a different Takeoff min than 91?
You're asking if Part 91 is different than Part 91.

The specific section of Part 91 to which you're referring is pertinent to fractional operators (subpart K). If you're not working for a fractional operator, then 14 CFR 19.1039(e) is not applicable to you.

To link a regulation, it's easiest to go directly to the applicable part of the ECFR and link that: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.1039

Rather than list each titke, part and subpart, the conventional reference is 14 CFR 91.1039(e).

You'll find the applicability of Subpart K under 91.1001(a): https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.1001

§ 91.1001 Applicability.

(a) This subpart prescribes rules, in addition to those prescribed in other subparts of this part, that apply to fractional owners and fractional ownership program managers governing—

(1) The provision of program management services in a fractional ownership program;

(2) The operation of a fractional ownership program aircraft in a fractional ownership program; and

(3) The operation of a program aircraft included in a fractional ownership program managed by an affiliate of the manager of the program to which the owner belongs.

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Thanks,
I guess I am misunderstood.

I know 91K is part of 91. I am trying to ask here is, If I work for a Fractional Carrier (Let's assume it does not have any OpSpec ) Are there any Take off mins? like mentioned in FAR https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.1039
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Originally Posted by guntherthepilot View Post
I am trying to ask here is, If I work for a Fractional Carrier (Let's assume it does not have any OpSpec ) Are there any Take off mins? like mentioned in FAR https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.1039
Fractional operators don't have OpSpecs. They have M-specs (Management Specifications, as opposed to Operations Specifications). M-Specs are required under 14 CFR 91.1015: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.1015

M-Specs are to fractional management operations what OpSpecs are to air carrier operations and repair stations (14 CFR parts 121, 125, 135, 145). Both are Special Authorizations, a broad term which cover Letters of Autorization (LOA's), Letters of Deviation Authority (LODA's), Operations Specifications (OpSpecs), and Management Specifications (MSpecs).

You can find the breakdown of all things Special Authorizations by going to the Document Regulatory System (DRS), FAA Order 8900.1 (Flight Standards Information Mangement System, Change 872)), Volume 3, Chapter 18, sections 3 through 6.

https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExte...125163342.0001
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExte...010153932.0001
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExte...101185520.0001
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExte...219160545.0001

OpSpec C056/C057, issued to certificate holders (121, 125, 135) is not issued to MSpec holders (91K). C056 and C057 cover lower-than-standard takeoff minimums.

Standard takeoff minimums are spelled out in 91.175(f): https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.175

Specific to your question about OpSpec/MSpec, 8900.1, Volume 3, Chapter 18, Section 5 is applicable, as linked above: https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExte...101185520.0001

Look at C056/C057, and C078/C079. Neither C056, nor C057 is available to Part 91K fractional MSpecs. C078 is applicable to 121 and 125 operators, and C079 to 135 operators. Keep in mind that 91K oeprators can also hold certification under 135 and do 135 flights, with the applicable special authorization of Opspecs C057 and C079, if issued.

91K operators require a takeoff alternate under 91.1039(d), when visibility is above takeoff minimums, but less than landing minimums. 91.1039(e), as noted previously, requires compliance with applicable IFR takeoff weather minums, the two allowable exceptions specified for enhanced vision operators in their MSpec, and 91.175(f); standard minmums, but must also observe applicable Part 97 (instrument takeoff minimums) limitations (linked above).
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Thank you. That is an impeccable explanation.

Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Fractional operators don't have OpSpecs. They have M-specs (Management Specifications, as opposed to Operations Specifications). M-Specs are required under 14 CFR 91.1015: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.1015

M-Specs are to fractional management operations what OpSpecs are to air carrier operations and repair stations (14 CFR parts 121, 125, 135, 145). Both are Special Authorizations, a broad term which cover Letters of Autorization (LOA's), Letters of Deviation Authority (LODA's), Operations Specifications (OpSpecs), and Management Specifications (MSpecs).

You can find the breakdown of all things Special Authorizations by going to the Document Regulatory System (DRS), FAA Order 8900.1 (Flight Standards Information Mangement System, Change 872)), Volume 3, Chapter 18, sections 3 through 6.

https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID104125585120240125163342.0001
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID151977610020231010153932.0001
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID148876313820231101185520.0001
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID121636794320231219160545.0001

OpSpec C056/C057, issued to certificate holders (121, 125, 135) is not issued to MSpec holders (91K). C056 and C057 cover lower-than-standard takeoff minimums.

Standard takeoff minimums are spelled out in 91.175(f): https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/section-91.175

Specific to your question about OpSpec/MSpec, 8900.1, Volume 3, Chapter 18, Section 5 is applicable, as linked above: https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID148876313820231101185520.0001

Look at C056/C057, and C078/C079. Neither C056, nor C057 is available to Part 91K fractional MSpecs. C078 is applicable to 121 and 125 operators, and C079 to 135 operators. Keep in mind that 91K oeprators can also hold certification under 135 and do 135 flights, with the applicable special authorization of Opspecs C057 and C079, if issued.

91K operators require a takeoff alternate under 91.1039(d), when visibility is above takeoff minimums, but less than landing minimums. 91.1039(e), as noted previously, requires compliance with applicable IFR takeoff weather minums, the two allowable exceptions specified for enhanced vision operators in their MSpec, and 91.175(f); standard minmums, but must also observe applicable Part 97 (instrument takeoff minimums) limitations (linked above).
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