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Old 08-27-2010 | 07:26 AM
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Just started brushing up on some approach plates after a long time flying VFR and came across a note I can't make any sense out of. Here is the link to the approach plate.

The note is in the upper left-hand corner of the plan view. It starts off with "1900 NoPT to BAWAW". I understand what each item is individually, but can't decipher what it means all together. Can anyone shed some light? Thanks!
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Old 08-27-2010 | 07:33 AM
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Looks like the heading and distance to get from COATT to BAWAW? Leave COATT heading 214 for 2.2 miles, then turn inbound 159 for 3.7 and you should be at BAWAW. Never seen that before.
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Old 08-27-2010 | 09:01 AM
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I would agree. It's the transition from COATT to BAWAW via SUXUE.
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Old 08-27-2010 | 09:26 AM
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I would have that interpretation as well. Another question. Does "radar" on this plate near bawaw and asnay mean that fix is shown on ATC radar?
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Old 08-27-2010 | 10:47 AM
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Yes, you could use the crossing radial or the DME or just have approach call the fix.
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Old 08-27-2010 | 10:52 AM
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Roger. I have been self reviewing IFR plates and charts the last few weeks, and it amazes me how many one-off particulars like these you find if you look hard enough. Many of the guys in my office are pilots and we kill many a lunch hour discussing trivia like this.
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Old 08-27-2010 | 12:46 PM
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thanks for the responses everyone. that seems to clear it up.

i'm not sure why they didn't just put the identifiers of the stations those radials were referring to. looking at it now it seems obvious, but if i were flying the approach for the first time (as i was last night), it seems like it'd be a lot easier to understand if they had just put, "214 FAK" and "159 I-OFP"....imho.

and i assume the 1900 NoPT means you can do that transition at 1900? because any other way you fly that approach you need to stay at 2000 until inbound.
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Old 08-27-2010 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by VAviator
thanks for the responses everyone. that seems to clear it up.

i'm not sure why they didn't just put the identifiers of the stations those radials were referring to. looking at it now it seems obvious, but if i were flying the approach for the first time (as i was last night), it seems like it'd be a lot easier to understand if they had just put, "214 FAK" and "159 I-OFP"....imho.

and i assume the 1900 NoPT means you can do that transition at 1900? because any other way you fly that approach you need to stay at 2000 until inbound.
1900 looks right, but what's 100 feet? - I'd stay at 2K, but I'm a slow mover. I seem to remember that they do funky things like the above transition when airways overlay or are very near the fixes. Just a guess.
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Old 08-28-2010 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by VAviator
thanks for the responses everyone. that seems to clear it up.

i'm not sure why they didn't just put the identifiers of the stations those radials were referring to. l
One reason: they are not radials. They are courses. The 214° course to SUXUE doesn't even track a FAK radial (it's technically 3° off the 031 radial). And the 159° course tracks the localizer inbound.

WAG as to why the dogleg was written up that way? Too much writing already in that area of the chart.

Anyone have the Jepp chart? Comparing the way the FAA and Jepp handle the same information is usually instructive.
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Old 08-28-2010 | 06:24 PM
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The minimum altitude on that segment is 1900' MSL to BAWAW then 1800 to ASNAY and a procedure turn is not authorized at ASNAY from the COATT transition.

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