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Old 08-04-2011 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
1. Get rid of the yoke.
You can have my yoke after you pry it from my cold, dead hands!
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Old 08-05-2011 | 05:40 PM
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Love my cruise ship yoke. I also like how every switch, knob, and lever has a satisfying "ka-chunk" sound when moved.
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Old 08-06-2011 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by flyeryder
If you could change 3 things on Boeing airplanes, what would they be?
1. Pay
2. Schedule
3. Retirement
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Old 08-06-2011 | 06:58 AM
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^^^ what hitimefurl said
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Old 08-07-2011 | 07:03 AM
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Question How Much More ?

Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
Why didn't they get more pilot input in the design phase?
1. Get rid of the yoke.
2. Add groundspeed mini.
3. Give the 737 the extra inch of width per passenger that the Bus has.
FAULTPUSH;

I don't know how much more input the "pilot group" could have had in the design engineering of the B-777. United was the launch customer and there were at least three meetings held by Boeing with groups of pilots from several carriers to solicit design input. Apparently, Boeing listened and after two tours of duty on "the Triple 7", I can say it's the best flying and most comfortable aircraft I've ever flown. That includes the Airbus, and several MD products.

I agree with #3. The seat pitch and width in the 737 leaves something to be desired. I would also like to see transport category aircraft have an AOA on all aircraft.

Interesting how many people have opinions on Boeing vs. Airbus who have never flown one or the other. I guess sitting in the jumpseat for hundreds of hours is indicitative of how an aircraft handles. In that context, let me offer my opinion of the Concorde (in which I did ride on the jumpseat).

Go figure....and G'Luck Mates

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Old 08-07-2011 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantom Flyer
FAULTPUSH;


I agree with #3. The seat pitch in the 737 leaves something to be desired.

Go figure....and G'Luck Mates
Width and seat pitch are totally unrelated. The width is just that; width.

Seat pitch is determined by the airline. It is related to legroom and has nothing to do with width.

You could be on the 320 and have 18" wide seat with pitch of 30 inches. You could also be on the 737 and have 17" wide seat with pitch of 34 inches.
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Old 08-07-2011 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FastDEW
Width and seat pitch are totally unrelated. The width is just that; width.

Seat pitch is determined by the airline. It is related to legroom and has nothing to do with width.

You could be on the 320 and have 18" wide seat with pitch of 30 inches. You could also be on the 737 and have 17" wide seat with pitch of 34 inches.
You can measure it any way your little heart wants to. The overall "comfort" level in the coach cabin of a 737 is below that of most Airbus aircraft coach cabins in the view of many surveyed passengers and most pilots who get stuck "in the back".

BTW, I'm well aware of what the "width" of a seat is and what the "pitch" is. I should have been more specific in my response to FAULTPUSH.

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Old 08-07-2011 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantom Flyer
You can measure it any way your little heart wants to. The overall "comfort" level in the coach cabin of a 737 is below that of most Airbus aircraft coach cabins in the view of many surveyed passengers and most pilots who get stuck "in the back".

BTW, I'm well aware of what the "width" of a seat is and what the "pitch" is. I should have been more specific in my response to FAULTPUSH.

G'Luck to you Mate
I agree with your point, but I see many who misunderstand pitch, so I'm just clarifying.

Funny, the Boeing twin aisles are wider seat than the Airbus twin aisles, but the opposite is true on single aisles.
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Old 08-10-2011 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by flyeryder
Is there anything about a Boeing airplane that you've always wanted to know?
  • Can the emergency crew escape hatch be opened in flight on the 747, and when it is advisable to do so?
  • Why was pilot comfort an afterthought on Boeing aircraft until the 757 (727, 737, 747 = loud, cramped cockpit with uncomfortable seats - and yes, the 747 cockpit is cramped, despite the aircraft being huge)

If you could change 3 things on Boeing airplanes, what would they be?
  1. better noise reduction (the seals, or simply the volume of the pressurization system, whatever MD did, copy it).
  2. more comfortable seats
  3. the other stuff guys have pointed out here (dial-a-flap and an AOA are both good ones)

What's the best thing about Boeing airplanes in your view?
Pilot-first design philosophy. The yoke and thrust levers, for instance. A side stick and a tray table are vastly superior in comfort and convenience. However, the ability to physically monitor the control inputs of the other pilot or the autopilot through a yoke is a higher priority. The TL's also need to physically move, which Boeing does (vs. Airbus). The plane just is a joy to fly - isn't that why we do this job, instead of sitting behind a desk?
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Old 08-13-2011 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
  • Can the emergency crew escape hatch be opened in flight on the 747, and when it is advisable to do so?
  • Why was pilot comfort an afterthought on Boeing aircraft until the 757 (727, 737, 747 = loud, cramped cockpit with uncomfortable seats - and yes, the 747 cockpit is cramped, despite the aircraft being huge)

  1. better noise reduction (the seals, or simply the volume of the pressurization system, whatever MD did, copy it).
  2. more comfortable seats
  3. the other stuff guys have pointed out here (dial-a-flap and an AOA are both good ones)


Pilot-first design philosophy. The yoke and thrust levers, for instance. A side stick and a tray table are vastly superior in comfort and convenience. However, the ability to physically monitor the control inputs of the other pilot or the autopilot through a yoke is a higher priority. The TL's also need to physically move, which Boeing does (vs. Airbus). The plane just is a joy to fly - isn't that why we do this job, instead of sitting behind a desk?
Can the 747 overhead emergency escape hatch be opened in flight? Yes, and I have. When is it advisable to do so? Only when you have failed to check that it was properly closed before flight. You do have to depressurize before opening, but you will know about the problem by the time you reach 1,000 AGL.

Joe
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