Help, I can't land the CRJ700
07-02-2012 | 09:20 AM
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If you're on speed, idle thrust at 50' is bad juju IMO.
07-02-2012 | 09:40 AM
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It's not the slats that make the diffence in the smoothness of the landing, though the pitch attitude is quite different, it's the straight-struts vs. trailing link gear.
200: idle at 50' and continuous round out till touchdown, hard back pressure as soon as the mains touch.
700: easy round out beginning at 30', don't touch the thrust levers until 10', smooth reduction timed for idle at wheel touchdown, fly the nose gear onto the runway prior to reverse.
200: idle at 50' and continuous round out till touchdown, hard back pressure as soon as the mains touch.
700: easy round out beginning at 30', don't touch the thrust levers until 10', smooth reduction timed for idle at wheel touchdown, fly the nose gear onto the runway prior to reverse.
Since there are about to be 70 more of these in Delta paint, hopefully someone from the recipient airline will read this and spead the word.
07-02-2012 | 09:46 AM
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The following has worked consistently on every jet (4) and turboprop (5) I have ever flown.
At 30 feet, on speed, begin a thrust reduction timed to reach idle at or near touchdown while at the same time increasing pitch just enough to slow the descent without stopping it. You will land on the 1000' markers at Vref every time.
Once in a while you may even impress the passengers, which of course is a secondary consideration to "in the touchdown zone on speed." Or is it?
At 30 feet, on speed, begin a thrust reduction timed to reach idle at or near touchdown while at the same time increasing pitch just enough to slow the descent without stopping it. You will land on the 1000' markers at Vref every time.
Once in a while you may even impress the passengers, which of course is a secondary consideration to "in the touchdown zone on speed." Or is it?
07-02-2012 | 09:49 AM
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Our POH says to start walking them back at 50'.
I like flight idle at 30' the fly the airplane. Holding power till 10' or touchdown chews up a lot of runway. Keeping power in till the flare will not guarantee a smooth landing.
I like flight idle at 30' the fly the airplane. Holding power till 10' or touchdown chews up a lot of runway. Keeping power in till the flare will not guarantee a smooth landing.
07-02-2012 | 10:50 AM
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07-02-2012 | 11:25 AM
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Haha. I love it when people exaggerate others' posts. This thread is not about piloting in general, it's about the mechanics of a good landing. If you think flying a CRJ at 140Kts down final, chopping the power, and pitching your way onto the runway with trailing link gear is more technically difficult than hitting your mark in a slow, straight link gear a/c, with a sail of flaps hanging out, I don't know what to tell you. You either don't understand aerodynamics/physics, or you have very little experience in anything but a Barbie jet. I'm not saying all RJ drivers are poor pilots; just saying there are different skill sets. For automation and flight management systems I'll take an RJ driver. For stick and rudder, the prop driver. (everything else being equal)
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