"Courtesy" ATC Calls

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03-24-2013, 08:51 PM

#31

satpak77

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ToastAir

You're not saving any $$ on gas by me acknowledging your initial check in. if anything....if you **** me off enough with the "blocked" stuff you may end up spending extra $$ on gas as I make you now be the loser of any potential tiebreaker situation.

Been there done that, just because I don't have the time to wait for the drawn out readback. But, once in a while I get so irritated that I'm motivated to make you first just to get you out of my airspace and off the frequency. Most times, however, if you act like you know what's going on, turn, climb or decend when it's asked for rather that waiting 5 miles, I'm more apt to trust you in a situation that may be tight. That how you become #1.[/QUOTE]

real professional....nice post there

03-26-2013, 06:31 AM

#32

ToastAir

ATC retired/121 hired

Joined APC: Dec 2012

Position: 121 FO / glider for fun

Posts: 164

I guess that's the point. Act like a professional and you get treated like one. There really are times when one pilot can require 80-90 percent of your frequency time even when he is only 10 or less of traffic. I'm not talking about special situations or problems, just poor technique. This can become detrimental to the others I'm trying to provide service to. As I pilot, I know ATC is only part of what a pilot is dealing with and I constantly remind my non-pilot colleagues of that when they get impatient with someone who may be dealing with other issues. Sometimes the best way to deal with a problem child is to move him along so he doesn't cause a issues for others. That's all I'm saying.

04-03-2013, 11:49 AM

#33

amcflyboy

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[QUOTE=Twin Wasp;1344318]You don"t want to "that person" in class but it would be interesting to ask the the instructor, "Hey, what page is that on so I can highlite it."

Radio contact procedures are outlined in chapter 4 of the AIM, which is not regulatory.The basic who you're calling, who you are, where you are, what you want and what ATIS you've got. But they even say don't overload the controller. As pointed out above, go with the flow. All that being said, I can't count how any times I've sent the complete message only to get back, "Ah, who's calling? [QUOTE]

Exactly and exactly!!!!!!!

04-03-2013, 09:30 PM

#34

bcpilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by satpak77

south of the border you need to do this just to wake the controller up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EYBusdriver

This annoys me.
"Flight 123 request"
"Flight 123, go ahead"
"Flight 123 request FL 350, if available".

Not only South of border..... It is common in a lot of countries.....

In fact, it is Standard Operating Procedure in a lot of countries who follow ICAO procedures to the line, They want you check in or establish contact FIRST with just your call sign. There are a lot of places, where if you follow US type radio procedures, " who where what", they will lash out on you.

When in the US, there is a lot of good advice here........

04-05-2013, 08:54 PM

#35

Ajax

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Joined APC: Nov 2010

Position: N90-EWR

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bcpilot

This can apply to us as well. Often times if its not too busy, or short on staffing (this happening a lot lately), we may be working combined positions, and may have multiple frequencies up on the speaker. We may miss that first part of the initial check in if we're already engaged on one of the other frequencies, or if we're on a landline. Checking in with a "New York approach, November 12345 request" is a better way to establish initial contact, rather than tie the frequency with all the extra stuff.