TSA merger
01-24-2018, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Generally agree with you except I think Gojet pilots will go with the planes to EDV.
01-24-2018, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
How would that be possible unless Endeavor buys them. Rah would need every pilot they can get.
01-24-2018, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I highly doubt you see anything approaching $200/hr at a regional..the flying will come back to mainline long before that happens.
If it is just based on pilot costs, I think a good rate would be close to what AA pays for its mainline Group I (E190) Pilots. That is 65% of their Group II (B737/A320 etc).
They pay E190 Pilots 2nd Year FO $86 and year 12 CA $170.
Endeavor pays its Pilots 2nd Year FO $59 and year 12 CA $114.
That is 45% more than Endeavor’s current rates. (I am going to guess the trigger point might be about 35% more.)
There may be some other trigger point, but my crystal ball says this would make sense in terms of Pilot pay.
01-24-2018, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Agreed. I am going to pull out my crystal ball again. When will regional flying come back to the mainline?
If it is just based on pilot costs, I think a good rate would be close to what AA pays for its mainline Group I (E190) Pilots. That is 65% of their Group II (B737/A320 etc).
They pay E190 Pilots 2nd Year FO $86 and year 12 CA $170.
Endeavor pays its Pilots 2nd Year FO $59 and year 12 CA $114.
That is 45% more than Endeavor’s current rates. (I am going to guess the trigger point might be about 35% more.)
There may be some other trigger point, but my crystal ball says this would make sense in terms of Pilot pay.
If it is just based on pilot costs, I think a good rate would be close to what AA pays for its mainline Group I (E190) Pilots. That is 65% of their Group II (B737/A320 etc).
They pay E190 Pilots 2nd Year FO $86 and year 12 CA $170.
Endeavor pays its Pilots 2nd Year FO $59 and year 12 CA $114.
That is 45% more than Endeavor’s current rates. (I am going to guess the trigger point might be about 35% more.)
There may be some other trigger point, but my crystal ball says this would make sense in terms of Pilot pay.
01-24-2018, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Except it is way more than pilot costs. Endeavor and the other WO are at a distinct advantage over the subcontractor counterparts. Their mainline owner essentially covers a lot of the overhead associated with running a business. If pilot costs got even remotely close to mainline rates, the flying would be more expensive than mainline operating it themselves.
Takeaway - It is not there yet, but the way pay has been jumping up, it may only be a few years away. Time will tell.
I will be willing to bet in just a few years the regionals will not look anything like they do today.
Consolidation of companies, fewer pilots flying at the regionals, a lower percentage of 50 seat metal, and a chunk of the ‘regional’ type flying by the majors themselves. Some or all of these will come to pass.
01-25-2018, 06:53 PM
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My money is on Republic buying TSH, selling off the GoJet 700's to Endeavor phasing out the 145's and transitioning all pilots over to the 170/175. And if Bedford really is on his way out at Republic maybe when this all shakes out and whoever is buying whoever is done Rick Leach will be the new head at Republic and that is why he has been seen in IND!?!
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01-25-2018, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle driver
My money is on Republic buying TSH, selling off the GoJet 700's to Endeavor phasing out the 145's and transitioning all pilots over to the 170/175. And if Bedford really is on his way out at Republic maybe when this all shakes out and whoever is buying whoever is done Rick Leach will be the new head at Republic and that is why he has been seen in IND!?!
Hulas rides into the sunset with a fist full of cash!
Hulas rides into the sunset with a fist full of cash!
01-27-2018, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverHome
Not disagreeing, but I suspect for the right price and/or conditions TSH would be ok with a piece being sold off.
All that said, who knows what is really going on?
All that said, who knows what is really going on?
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