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Purpleanga 02-24-2018 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 2535682)
Let's just hope you and your buddies at Delta can back up your big talk.

These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?

MantisToboggan 02-24-2018 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 2535829)
These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?

So you're saying mainline is gonna vote to relax scope? With a serious face?

sailingfun 02-24-2018 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 2535829)
These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?

Can you provide specific contracts were pilots received raises for scope concessions? In most contracts scope is settled after pay.

Redbird611 02-24-2018 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2535308)
Seems like it would be a good time to allow an 89K RJ but reduce
the quantity by 30-50%???

Horrible idea. Not one more pound. Once the more capable aircraft is operating at a sub-contractor it'll be far too easy for them to seek expanded quantity in a future downturn. If the heavier airplane is needed by network to fill a market niche it can be operated by mainline pilots. The regional hunger-games must end.

msprj2 02-24-2018 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Redbird611 (Post 2535861)
Horrible idea. Not one more pound. Once the more capable aircraft is operating at a sub-contractor it'll be far too easy for them to seek expanded quantity in a future downturn. If the heavier airplane is needed by network to fill a market niche it can be operated by mainline pilots. The regional hunger-games must end.

I didn’t see weight increases as a more capable aircraft just a more efficient one “geared engines”. You major guys hold the cards saying not one more pound is not the answer . How about payscales that compete with top regional pay. Make it pointless for regionals to exist??

knobcrk 02-24-2018 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2535846)
Can you provide specific contracts were pilots received raises for scope concessions? In most contracts scope is settled after pay.

The whole Bankruptcy thing is a myth.

Knobcrk1 02-24-2018 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Redbird611 (Post 2535861)
Horrible idea. Not one more pound. Once the more capable aircraft is operating at a sub-contractor it'll be far too easy for them to seek expanded quantity in a future downturn. If the heavier airplane is needed by network to fill a market niche it can be operated by mainline pilots. The regional hunger-games must end.

It’s not going to end. Without regional feed, half your 737 would be empty. You see the problem?

Baradium 02-24-2018 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 2535829)
These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?

The majority of the pilots at mainline now have personally experienced the downside to relaxing scope. There were many at the time that did not think it would affect them personally, and then the furloughs came. Now they are hungry for the pilot positions and see value in people below them. That isn't just a greater good issue, it's a good for the individual issue as well.

Baradium 02-24-2018 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 2536180)
It’s not going to end. Without regional feed, half your 737 would be empty. You see the problem?

Worked fine before subcontractors came along. Without the regional served ROUTES you may be right, but it doesn't have to be a regional feeder to fly them.

With regional pay rising, the cost differential between an RJ operator flying a route and mainline flying it. Add in more efficient aircraft that are too heavy for scope and the costs narrow even further. A few pounds in this case is a big deal, and it could be very good for the industry overall.

sailingfun 02-24-2018 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 2536180)
It’s not going to end. Without regional feed, half your 737 would be empty. You see the problem?

Not if you are providing that feed yourself. You also might look at the total number of passengers fed to the mainline. If we allow aircraft with these capabilities they are no longer providing feed, they are replaning mainline lift. Thankfully mainline scope also contains restrictions on both distance and hub to hub flights.
I can assure you if Delta gets the ability to outsource the MRJ-90 we can kiss the 717’s goodbye when the leases are up.


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