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sailingfun 02-11-2018 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by m20cmark21 (Post 2525890)
Good rebuttal, and I understand what you are saying. I just wouldn't be surprised, considering the amount of money involved, if they figure out a way to make the MRJ90 comply with scope limits. Anything is possible. I suppose only time will tell.

For the record, Embraer's website lists the MTOW of the (currently flying in gaggles) E175 at 89,000-lb.
89,000 is the E175. The E190 is heavier. You are kind of making my point. They restrict the range to get the E175 down to 86,000. You can bet over the last 10 years Mitsubishi pulled out every stop to get it to 86,000. With the new changes I doubt it will even make the 87,300 they claim. The geared engines are heavy.

Bloggs 02-12-2018 07:20 AM
The legacies are not the ones sniffing around for MRJ lift.

What does Spirit’s scope allow?

sailingfun 02-12-2018 08:54 AM
Originally Posted by Bloggs (Post 2526319)
The legacies are not the ones sniffing around for MRJ lift.

What does Spirit’s scope allow?
However should a regional take delivery of the airframe to fly for Spirit or anyone else they would have to terminate their legacy contracts.

Bloggs 02-12-2018 09:38 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2526416)
However should a regional take delivery of the airframe to fly for Spirit or anyone else they would have to terminate their legacy contracts.
Exactly. The Embraers TSA operates have a limited shelf life and and they are looking for something to do when the 145’s finish up. If they operate MRJs exclusively for a LCC, then so be it. Better than not operating at all (from their perspective).

sailingfun 02-12-2018 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by Bloggs (Post 2526467)
Exactly. The Embraers TSA operates have a limited shelf life and and they are looking for something to do when the 145’s finish up. If they operate MRJs exclusively for a LCC, then so be it. Better than not operating at all (from their perspective).
Just to be clear if the operate the MRJ90 for anyone exclusive or not they would be in violation of the legacy contracts. They could terminate those contracts early but would likely have to pay a substantial penalty to do so.

Shifty 02-12-2018 10:10 AM
No on Scope. Mainline will fly them if they ever get off the ground. Don’t kid yourself.

msprj2 02-12-2018 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by Shifty (Post 2526491)
No on Scope. Mainline will fly them if they ever get off the ground. Don’t kid yourself.
I really don’t see mainline flying 76 seaters unless the pilots agree to Regional wages. That
Would be another sellout of new
Young pilots which has been going on for 25+ years at the regionals.

underpaidpic 02-12-2018 01:07 PM
Spirit Connection.........no scope and they hate their pilots more than
TSA Holdings does.

FlyingKat 02-12-2018 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by Shifty (Post 2526491)
No on Scope. Mainline will fly them if they ever get off the ground. Don’t kid yourself.
I hope the mainline guys hold the line on this, but their track history of holding the line on scope issues isn't all that great.

FlyingKat 02-12-2018 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2526474)
Just to be clear if the operate the MRJ90 for anyone exclusive or not they would be in violation of the legacy contracts. They could terminate those contracts early but would likely have to pay a substantial penalty to do so.
Not if its on a separate certificate.


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